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Tool for the proofreading contest
by Joan Creus 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

Hi all, KRLS and I have been working on a tool to count the number of points for the proofreading contest organized in Catalan wikisource, which could prove useful for others running the contest. There are no bugs that we know of, but beware for it comes with no warranty ;-). The code can be found at http://pastebin.com/gkPVLDHB and uses pywikipedia's latest version ("core"/"rewrite"). You can also find annotations on what is to be changed for other editions. Basically, variables "llibres" and "end" need to be replaced by whatever books are used, and the length of each. You should also take into account the fact that it uses UTC time; adapt lines 71, 77 and 80 to your needs. I think that's all. In case you find bugs or need some extra features count with KRLS and me. Joan Creus.

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Wikisource Survey Report
by Andrea Zanni 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Dear all, Micru and I are finishing the reporting and the analysis for the survey. You can find the work in progress here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/Wikisource_… As we have a deadline for our IEG final report, we would like to have this survey report finished as well. So, we are asking you few things: * please check if there are some data and things that still need to be translated * give us feedback on the analysis * tell us what you think. It's crucially important that you can help us as soon as possible (for example, for the translation). Thanks. Aubrey

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TEI tags
by Andrea Zanni 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Hi guys, do any of you know anything of this extension? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEITags Could it be good for Wikisource? Aubrey

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Major update of Proofread Page
by Thomas Tanon 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

Hi everyone! A major update of the ProofreadPage extension will be rolled out next Monday, The 25th November. Most of the code related to Page: pages, including the edition interface, have been rewritten by Aarti Dwivedi (User:Rtdwivedi) with my help as part of the Google Summer of Code 2013 project in order to have a cleaner and more maintainable code that will allow an easier fix of dozens of known bugs. We have tried to keep the same user interface and to don’t break any features with the help of automated testing. The only big user interface change is that the links for previous, next and index pages are only displayed as icon on Vector skin (but remains as textual links on the other skins). The HTML structure of view and edit modes of Page: pages have been changed, so some user scripts may be broken. OldWikisource scripts have been updated by User:Phe (many thanks to him) but some bugs may appear when the new code will be rolled out. The new code is currently testable on test2.wikipedia.org. Here I’ve created two pages in order to hep testing: https://test2.wikipedia.org/s/9gi and https://test2.wikipedia.org/s/9i4 (notice that features added by OldWikisource scripts aren’t active there). Thomas

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest
by David Cuenca 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

@Richard: please do request a central notice. Our outreach capabilities are quite limited and all help to spread the word will be very much appreciated. About the logo, what do you think of adding some little bubbles around the circled 10 as to show some effervescence? Just if you make it look good :) @Matthew: if the blog post could go live this Friday on 00:00 UTC that would be great, since it would allow casual blog readers to get ready for the competition before it begins. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Richard Nevell < richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > Would anyone object if I emailed wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org to ask > about whether we could have up a central notice announcing both the > anniversary and the competition? > > > On 20 November 2013 11:47, Richard Nevell <richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk > > wrote: > >> In terms of the logo how about something along the lines of the attached >> file? >> >> >> On 19 November 2013 20:58, James Hare <james.hare(a)wikidc.org> wrote: >> >>> I've been discussing it with Wikimedia DC and we won't be participating >>> in the contest for now. We may set up a contest or similar event sometime >>> next year. >>> >>> >>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:51 PM, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I've been preparing a blog post about the anniversary and the contests, >>> it would be great if someone could take a look and possibly expand. If >>> possible it would be great to have an image of the Wikisource logo with a >>> "10" written on it. Any takers? >>> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Wikisource_organizes_… >>> >>> @James, Craig: Have WM-DC and WM-AU decided which kind of involvement do >>> they wish in the contest or if an independent event will be held? So far on >>> en-ws I have seen that only WM-UK is involved offering prizes: >>> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Tenth_Anniversary_Contest >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Micru >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Adam, could you please give us some details about >>>> Speciale:RecentChangesLinked? >>>> Could you make some examples for all? >>>> >>>> Aubrey >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Carles Paredes Lanau < >>>> carlesparedes(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Adam, >>>>> >>>>> Micru and me have decided that it's better hide works until 24th, >>>>> because now somebody can proofread pages offline and 24th upload it all >>>>> pages. It is not fair! I like your score table. >>>>> >>>>> In catalan wikisource, we have visible: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Viquitexts:Viquirepte_10%C3%A8_aniversari >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Carles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/11/18 Adam Morgan <wikisorcery(a)gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> OK, I've put together a rough page for the English Wikisource. It >>>>>> should all be ready to go on the 24th. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Tenth_Anniversary_Contest >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure how anyone else is doing this but we've selected ten >>>>>> texts and this is going to work a lot like our Proofread of the Month >>>>>> project. I will use Special:RecentChangesLinked to track edits on each of >>>>>> the ten. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any thoughts or criticism? >>>>>> >>>>>> - Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Richard Nevell >> Wikimedia UK >> +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 >> >> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and >> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered >> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. >> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia >> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who >> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). >> >> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control >> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* >> > > > > -- > Richard Nevell > Wikimedia UK > +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. 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Fwd: Fwd: Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest
by Adam Morgan 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

> Micru and me have decided that it's better hide works until 24th, because > now somebody can proofread pages offline and 24th upload it all pages. It > is not fair! I like your score table. I hadn't thought of that, but it's too late now. To be honest, I'm more worried about no one noticing or taking part. I'm not sure how to advertise the contest outside of English Wikisource. - Adam

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Fwd: Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest
by Adam Morgan 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

> Hi Adam, could you please give us some details about > Speciale:RecentChangesLinked? > Could you make some examples for all? It's the "Related changes" link in the side bar in English ("Modifiche correlate", "Seguiment d'enllaços", "Änderungen an verlinkten Seiten" etc). It's like the "Recent Changes" page but limited to pages linked to the current page. If you use it on an Index page it will show all the edits in the Page namespace because they are linked through the <pagelist />. For example, if you had "Index:Foo", the page "Special:RecentChangesLinked/Index:Foo" would show all changes in the index page, all changes in the page namespace and anything else linked to it. If you set the namespace parameter to "Page", it will just show the Page namespace changes. That should show all proofreading activity tied to a particular scan. If you look at this page: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Index:Foggerty.dj… You will see the edits I've made to get the index ready (including in the main namespace and the author page). This version (with just the Page namespace selected), shows just my proofreading: http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?namespace=104&tagfilter=&target=Index%… I intend to check this page for each of the ten indices we've chosen. It might need a little more investigation sometimes, but I think it will work. If there were more time, I think a bot could be coded to do this automatically. However, there are only a few days left and I don't know how to do it myself. - Adam

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Fwd: Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest
by Adam Morgan 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

OK, I've put together a rough page for the English Wikisource. It should all be ready to go on the 24th. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Tenth_Anniversary_Contest I'm not sure how anyone else is doing this but we've selected ten texts and this is going to work a lot like our Proofread of the Month project. I will use Special:RecentChangesLinked to track edits on each of the ten. Any thoughts or criticism? - Adam

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest
by David Cuenca 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

Hi Craig, Your message had many interesting insights and I thank you for them. You are right that the contest seems a bit haphazard in its goals, but considering that it is the first attempt at something like it, and given the little time that we have (and as Aubrey said, few volunteers to run it), just to run *anything* it is already a challenge by itself. Yes, the main goal is to cellebrate the anniversary, and proofread, and give and have an extra incentive. As for the prize I must say that it is well-suited for the small community size of the Catalan group (about 6 very active contributors, plus some coming and going), but for larger communities I can imagine that they would be happier to have better prices (high-end tablets and good scanners are in big demand too) or more quantity. The voucher idea is indeed very interesting too (even if it is delivered at random in addition to the regular price), I will ask to see if we have enough budget to add it to our version. About the outreach, well, I think the first thing to do is to show ourselves that we can run a contest :) I don't know about other communities but for us it is the first time and we need also to build the confidence and the experience. If we can make it work, next year we could try again with partnerships and to be more ambitious with the goals. Anyhow, I really appreciate the effort put into this. Cheers David --Micru On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Craig Franklin < craig.franklin(a)wikimedia.org.au> wrote: > Hi David, > > A couple of thoughts on this, based on Kerry Raymond's earlier post to the > WMAU list:- > > 1. What is the purpose of this competition, other than to celebrate the > 10th anniversary? Is it to attract new users? Is it to get some key works > transcribed very quickly? Is it to distribute movement-funded prizes to > long-term contributors? The purpose of the competition will drive how it > is structured. > > 2. As has been pointed out, an e-Reader, at least in Australia (and > probably most other developed English speaking countries) is not all that > impressive a prize, especially if you already have one or don't have an > interest in having an e-Reader. I think a slightly better prize would be a > gift certificate to somewhere like Amazon or Fishpond, so at least the > winner can choose something they know they'll like. This may be different > in other countries, of course. > > 3. A point-based system like what you propose is easy enough to > administer, but if the approach is to attract new users, they'll probably > notice that anyone that doesn't get in within the first couple of days is > probably at a massive disadvantage to getting the prize. In turn, this > will make the motivational aspect of the prize disappear for anyone that > comes late. If we're counting on the prize to get users to do some work, I > think we'd be disappointed. This can be solved a bit by having a prize > pool that can be broken into smaller pieces, so rather than a $100 e-Reader > you can distribute a $20 voucher every day (for example). This would mean > that those who arrive late still have a chance of getting something. > > 4. My experience with running competitions like this is that if you > approach it with a "build it and they will come" mindset, the only entrants > you'll get are people who are already contributing in that fashion anyway. > There needs to be some hook to get people who have not previously heard of > or contributed to Wikisource to contribute. Otherwise they're never going > to hear about it and we're never going to get our new users. Is there some > mechanism to advertise this widely beyond just existing Wikisource users? > > 5. WMAU's experience with the "Pitch In!" project, where we did have the > support of a major public institution as a hook to get those new users in, > is that it's actually quite hard to get new users to Wikisource to 'stick'. > I think we can expect a lot of users to do a single page, and a lot of new > users to vanish once the contest is over. If recruitment is the goal, then > there needs to be a strategy to continue engaging with users who arrive for > the competition so that we retain them. > > I don't want to be the one that pours cold water on the whole idea (I do > think it'd be wonderful to do *something* for the 10th anniversary), but > I'm not clear on what we're actually trying to achieve with this > competition. > > Cheers, > Craig Franklin > > > > > On 7 November 2013 09:40, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Since this is the first time we do it and we don't have enough >> organizational capacity, it will be easier to hold independent contests. >> >> For the Catalan edition we are planning to do as follows: >> - the contest will be open from Nov 24th 00 UTC till Dec 1st 23:59 UTC. >> - 2 organizers select 3 books in secret (more will be added if needed). >> The books have OCR of acceptable quality and they are not too hard to >> format. The books chosen will be disclosed when the contest begins. One >> sample page will be offered, plus links to relevant help pages. We are >> putting it all together here: >> https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Viquitexts:Viquirepte_10%C3%A8_aniversari >> - the participants get 3 points for each completely corrected and >> formatted page, if they validate someone else's page, they get 1 point >> - the organizers can disqualify a participant if they mark pages as done >> without actually working on them >> - the prize will be an ebook reader (model TBD) >> >> KRLS has told me that he will try to have a counting script ready, if >> not, we will count it manually. >> >> So how many contests are we going to have? Italian, Catalan and, maybe >> WM-DC or WM-AU organize the English version? >> >> When everything is clear we should prepare an annoncement and publish it >> next week on the Wikimedia blog. >> >> Cheers, >> Micru >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Regarding the cotest: >>> how do you like an international contest, with both local wikisource and >>> single user chart? >>> >>> Something like Wiki Loves Monuments, like this: >>> https://toolserver.org/~emijrp/wlm/stats.php >>> >>> The real problem is that we *don't* have a way (right now), to associate >>> clearly proofredings and validation with single users. >>> I don't know how phe's tools count them, but I'm sure something could be >>> done. >>> toolserver.org/~phe/statistics.php?diff=1 >>> >>> Aubrey >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Craig Franklin < >>> cfranklin(a)halonetwork.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, that would be well within the realm of what the WMAU "Volunteer >>>> Support Programme" would be able to fund, if one of our members were to >>>> apply: >>>> >>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Volunteer_Support_Programme >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 November 2013 22:18, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, I'd be 100 dollars/euros, something low budget (like a Kindle or >>>>> a Kobo). >>>>> >>>>> Aubrey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Craig Franklin < >>>>> cfranklin(a)halonetwork.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>> >>>>>> What sort of cost are we looking at to buy some nifty gadget as a >>>>>> prize? Is it something that could be done through our Volunteer Support >>>>>> Programme? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Craig Franklin >>>>>> President - Wikimedia Australia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 November 2013 16:55, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Great concept. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think this would a great little project, and worth the expense for >>>>>>> the WMAu chapter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I helped run a small wikisource competition with Wikimedia Indonesia >>>>>>> (esp. Ivonne & Siska) to transcribe a 550 page dictionary, and found it to >>>>>>> be very successful, but does require quite a bit of time to run and help >>>>>>> newbies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ill write up a proposal if another WMAu member is willing to second >>>>>>> and help organise the competition in Oz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: "David Cuenca" <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> Date: Oct 31, 2013 10:09 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : >>>>>>> Proofreading contest >>>>>>> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" < >>>>>>> wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>>>> Cc: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Talking with some members of Amical Wikimedia about how to celebrate >>>>>>> the 10th aniversary, one of the proposals was to organize a proofreading >>>>>>> contest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically, we would select some books for the participants to >>>>>>> proofread and validate and they would gather points for each page without >>>>>>> errors. The person with the most points would win a Kindle donated by >>>>>>> Amical Wikimedia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, we have been thinking that with the help of some members of >>>>>>> the Wikisource User Group and other Chapters, then we could escalate it to >>>>>>> an international proofreading contest, instead of being just regional. I >>>>>>> guess ideally we would need 3 kindles and at least a volunteer from each >>>>>>> community to organize it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think of the idea? Would you or any chapter that would >>>>>>> like to get involved? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Micru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >> > > -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non

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Program suggestions for Wikimedia Conference 2014
by Asaf Bartov 16 Nov '13

16 Nov '13

==Summary== Please provide some input on the programme for the upcoming Wikimedia Conference. What topics would you like to see addressed? What would be useful for your group and community? ==Details== I am part of the programme team [1] for next year's Wikimedia Conference [2] (April 2014 (exact dates to be announced), in Berlin, Germany) and at the moment we are collecting relevant input from all chapters and other affiliates. Our aim is to ensure that all voices are heard in the content design phase and that all important topics being discussed in the movement become visible. We are collecting burning questions and hot topics [3], as well as feedback regarding the programme of previous conferences [4]. After that, the programme team will collectively cluster and prioritze those topics, supported by our facilitator Anna Lena Schiller. In January, we will then start designing an agenda based on content input from all stakeholders while considering previous experiences/evaluations/feedback. I would be glad if you and your community could add your thoughts and ideas, too! Please provide your hot topics, if possible before November 23rd, and help us come up with a diverse and efficient programme, leading to useful outcomes. You can send your input either via email, or if you prefer, you can directly add to the Meta page[3]. Our questions for you: Most important: * What are your hot topics and burning questions? Nice to have: * What did we do that we should continue doing? * What did we do that we should do more of? * What did we do that we should continue doing? * What did we do that we should do more of? * What did we do that we should do less of? * What did we do that we should stop doing? * What didn't we do that we should start doing? Should you have any questions, feel free to get in touch. You can also reach out to the whole programme team via the Meta talk page. Thanks a lot and best regards, Asaf P.S.: The event management team at Wikimedia Deutschland (our hosts) is finalising the contract with the venue and we hope to be able to announce the final dates by the end of next week. It will most probably be 10-13 April. We will open the registration after prioritising the topics, to give all affiliations the chance to send the representatives whom they think can best cover and discuss these topics. [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Programme_team [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014 [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Programme#What_ar… [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Programme#Review_… -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org

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