Anthere-
You started the new logo contest. You made the pages, you set the rules. Some people are following all the cheating that is occurring along, and you have no reaction whatsoever.
I have responded several times on [[Talk:International logo vote]] concerning specifically the matter of anonymous voting. My current suggestion is: Let's keep an eye on what's going on, and let's set a clear policy for the final vote that only people with existing user pages on Meta can vote (I'm not sure if we want to make it necessary to be logged in, because that's harder to control). With the amount of voting going on right now, it is neither practical nor useful to follow up on every edit, and the overall picture has not changed significantly since the vote has started.
The image swapping is of course annoying, but let's not assume maliciousness without good reason. Our software overwrites images without prompting, and in spite of my explicit warning not to use obvious filenames, several contestants have done so. The recent swapping seems to have been an act of deliberate vandalism, and it was reverted before I could react; the vote was adjusted accordingly. I myself have reverted two image uploads. What more do you want?
anyone can vote without anyone knowing them
Well, what do you propose as an alternative? People vote from all Wikipedias, including the very small ones, so it's very hard to track down individuals. I think the solution to require at least a redirect to an existing user page is a good one.
anyone can replace the logo of someone else by his,
And anyone can replace the text of the logo pages and the votes themselves, imagine that! ;-) That's not necessarily a bad thing, but the whole image uploading/deleting/reverting process is currently ugly as hell and in desperate need of recoding. I shall await your PHP patches.
And perhaps a logo which was in the top 10 before being replaced by another won't be in the top 10 anymore, just because someone had fun replacing that top 10 logo.
The regularly updated top 20 page which someone started is of no relevance whatsoever. I will do the real final count later today (today is the voting deadline for the first round) and may throw out some votes as irrelevant.
The logo issue in itself is not important. But again, this case is an experiment. It is the experiment of how of whole organization could work together with a common decision process. With respect and honesty toward those who created the artwork, and respect and honesty toward those who came to vote, and have the belief we are all sharing something.
Sure. I think it's working fine. We have over 130 logos, many of them excellent, and a very very interested and active Wikipedia community that is currently expressing its opinion on their quality. It works exactly as expected and the level of vandalism or cheating I have noticed is very low.
User:Kat left a couple of days ago,
People leave all the time and whenever they do, they become the fodder for other people's arguments. Frankly, I'm getting tired of this. Please don't speak for others.
Right now, at wikipedia-wide level, community does not scale either.
Yeah, we've only managed to create 150,000 articles on en:. We'll never grow past 300,000 ;-)
I think any of the international votes are important because they are big scale experiment of how a "big" community could take decisions together.
Using wiki for voting is a bit like using a trout as a hammer; it's very messy and you end up smelling like fish. Well, not exactly, but it is certainly not the best way to organize a large vote. But until we have voting support in our software, it's the best we can do and necessarily limited. These limitations become visible here, but I see no reason to assume that they have a significant impact on the outcome. Except for the fish smell.
Since no one reacted except Olie himself, I will be bold. Whatever the outcome of the logo contest, if logo 124 is not in the top 10, there will be 11 logos in the top 10.
The votes that were added after the logo was changed were moved and the individual users contacted. What's your problem?
And I also think the next international vote will need to be much better organised.
If there will be another international vote, I'll be sure to recommend you as an organizer.
Regards,
Erik