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Hi,
Le Saturday 06 December 2003 00:33, Anthere a écrit :
For the French WP, I would say like Andre. Up to now, most of the problems have been solved by discussion and consensus. In the case of the recently banned user, it is after that any other solution was tried that a unanimous vote decided to ban him.
Yann
I waited for a while to see what french would say about this. And indeed, I am not surprised by your comment Yann.
There is somehow an arbitration commitee. We saw it on Papotages issue. The arbitration commitee involved basically any user that have been there for a couple of weeks. Every one was allowed to speak up on Papotages banning issue. Being a sysop or not made *no* difference whatsoever. I suppose though, that if recent users have declared themselves against the banning, their opinion would have been discarded. Their opinion was receivable because they agreed with the general opinion.
I don't think so. Where did you find this Anthere ?
I hardly dare to say that the banning when it was pronounced, was *not* unanimous as you claim it was. You are arranging the truth Yann. It was perhaps very widely consensual; but on the 11th of november, if you claim it was unanimous, you are just lying. That our opinion was said non acceptable is one thing, however, I would appreciate that you recognised minorities opinions existed.
Of course, we will agree that *now* there is unanimity. But it was not such on the banning day.
That is obviously false. Look at the archives: http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikip%E9dia:Prise_de_d%E9cision% 2C_bannir_Papotages&diff=156213&oldid=156212
The second is about mediation. As you say, we tried. Not all of us, not in an organised way, but we tried; and failed.
For to be a mediation, there is necessary an agreement on the principle of mediation. I think that Papotages never agreed on anything like this. I am not even sure he agreed to have *sincere* discussions.
I see that you have disagreements with a lot of people, up to the point to scare them away. :( cf. [[User:Céréales Killer]] below.
"Décidément, Anthere s'est jurée de m'égratigner dès qu'elle le peut. Je baisse les bras et j'arrête tout. Quelles sont tes dernières contributions constructives, Anthere ? A part surveiller ce que fait untel ou untel, et balancer des réflexions à tout va qui finissent par décourager, que fais-tu de vraiment constructif ? Moi, c'est bon, j'ai compris, j'abandonne. Tu es plus gentille et prudente avec PP qu'avec quelqu'un qui, comme moi, essaie d'apporter une max de choses à Wikipédia. Si ma présence te gêne à ce point là, c'est bon, j'ai compris, je me casse." Céréales Killer
Yann
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