At 2002-09-10 21:20 -0700, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Jaap van Ganswijk wrote:
No it doesn't: Jimmy and Bomis may host it, but they don't own it. Or they should have made it more clearly when I joined it. I am the author of a site about chips and it's hosted by about 30 mirror sites. They own not one iota of the contents of what they mirror. My 'original site' is hosted on the server of a Dutch internet provider and it doesn't own any of the copyrights of my site.
If Jimmy thinks he has certain rights I'd really like to hear about that.
Owning the site and owning the contents are two different things. If he really got pissed off he could always pull the server's power cord out of the wall, and nobody could legally force him to put it back in. If it comes to that, and nobody has kept the data independently backed up at a physically separate site, then that's the end of it.
Jimmy's royal prerogatives are not about dictatorship or being a control freak, they're about finance. Until a critical mass of Wikipedians have shown the capacity to deal with the project's fiscal administration, it's simply a reality whether we like it or not. Such a state of affairs obviously includes possible dangers to the project, but so do other financing models .
Of course I appriciate what Jimmy is doing, because I think that Wikipedia is at least an interesting project. I'm sure that Jimmy has been tested more severally than through what I did. And when not: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
However I think that financing a site which works on the principle of GPL shouldn't give the owner of the hardware special privileges, like being a benign dictator as regards to banning people.
Anyone noticed the strange dualisme between me defending Helga's case and in the mean time insulting 2.5 billion women which Vicki in turn sees as a personal insult?
Julie is a Wikipediholic, and we would love the opportunity to drink with her without Genral Booth's Dutch minions banging bass drums in out ears.
And I like women that hang-out-with the boys (and I mean this in a positive sense) very much. Julie seems to be the Queen of Wikipedia. And you probably know that our country is run by a real queen that 95% of us admire.
But well, uhm, we guys, we like fighting, testing each other out, we will have to go hunt the next day to get the meat and we need to be able to rely on each other 100%. You women only have to dig up roots etc.
I thought that Holland was such a flat country that people didn't live in caves anymore.
Well, we managed to build a metro in Rotterdam under the clay and sand...
;-)
Greetings, Jaap