Berto: Good to know. I will pass that information also. As I said, I am working with them, as with other Amerindian peoples, such as Mapuche from Chile and Argentina, and Aymara from Bolivia (Consejo Educativo Aymara); they all agree to have a Wikipedia in their own native language. Rodolfo
Berto 'd Sera wrote:
Hoi,
As a quasi-native Italian speaker and native Piemontese speaker I can understand most Castillan, so if they are better off with that they can ask for info in Castillan, when needed.
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
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Dear Berto: Thank you for the information. I will pass this directly to the Yucatan Mayan people. We may send the request some time in the next months, as soon as we are all ready to go.. Rodolfo
Berto 'd Sera wrote:
Hoi,
All you have to do is go here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages
And fill a request. Bear in mind that the 4 factors that are going to be decisive are:
- An existing ISO 639-3 code for the language (no language mix allowed)
- A good number of native speakers supporting the project
- A good performance in the incubator
- A localized UI for your edition
Feel free to contact us directly at any time for more info/support
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
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Hi Berto: Yes! We will have a Maya wikipedia quite soon. It is a matter of time. We, Yucatan Mayans, Carnegie Mellon University and Unicef-Mexico are working in this matter; soon Mayans will request the relevant information to start. Rodolfo
Berto 'd Sera wrote:
Hoi,
This is actually a "must". No foreign "expert" can create words in any language. In that case you're much better off by importing them as they
are.
We are not very keen to release wikies for the use of students in foreign languages. All wikies are for natives first, foreigners are welcome, but designing a UI is none of their business.
I'll love to see a Maya wiki :)
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
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The "language invention" must be done by the native speakers of that language. This is what native speakers of Amerindian languages are fighting for, and are part of United Nations agreements and conventions on language rights for native peoples. I am working with Maya, Mapuche and Aymara, from the Americas, in this issue. Soon, they will ask to have Wikipedia in their own language, including the interface, done by themselves, and not by an "expert gringo". Is this possible based on your "rules"? Rodolfo'
Delirium wrote:
Berto 'd Sera wrote:
The only requests I am receiving are about totally clearing from
english
other UIs. You might be surprised, but the highest pressure comes from
young
(15-20 y.o.) bilingual users, who are native or almost native in
english,
too. It has nothing to do with liking english or not, it's about using
a
language for what it's meant to do: to deliver a clear message.
The choice of words really depends on what's current in your language.
In
our case even if the dominant culture has long become industrial and it would take you ages to find a horse anywhere, there still are lots of metaphores originating from the farmers' life. Sometimes their roots
are
incredibly old.
This seems somewhat different than advertised. Localizing an interface to a language means making it be *in that language*. Coining new terms to use in the interface, even if based on other words in the language, does not make the interface in that language. Rather, it makes it in a new language (or dialect, at least), invented at Wikipedia.
"Purified" languages, in which loanwords are purged and replaced with neologisms based on "native" roots, are often created, and sometimes they succeed and sometimes they fail. See [[en:Katharevousa]] for an example of a purified Greek that eventually more or less failed. Regardless of the merits of such a project, I don't think it appropriate
for *us* to engage in such language-invention.
-Mark
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