Gareth Owen wrote:
David Friedland david=nvvn158Aj1ReoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org writes:
If you don't care about the logo, why are you bothering to argue about it? Your response seems the most hysterical of any so far.
Then allow me to be pithy.
There was a vote. Your choice lost. Deal with it. And do it without insinuating that Erik somehow rigged the election.
If I don't care about an issue being discussed on the lists,
I don't care about the logo, but I do care about flagrant attempts to subvert democracy ("Let's not ratify") or the continuing unfounded implications that something underhand went on during the voting process and the inherent slur on Erik's character.
(Remember, if you don't like the logo, you can always fork)
First, I don't know where you get the idea that I was insinunating any funny-business about how the election was executed. I happen to respect Erik a lot, as he has always responded to my concerns rationally and calmly. I don't think anything underhand went on during the voting process.
My suggestion that the results of the election not necessarily be abided are a result of the fact that until now, no one has argued that elections are binding and not subject to appeal. Until there is firm policy set about how decisions on wikipedia are to be made final, it seems all decision-making processes are subject to discussion and dissent before, during, and after.
Perhaps an analogy to the 2000 US Presidential election is apt. Nevertheless, a final decision was made by the Supreme Court, an organization specified by the Constitution to be supreme judge of the law of the land. Wikipedia has no constitution, and you are no supreme court. I therefore don't accept your declaration that the results are final and not subject to appeal.
Furthermore, I find your characterizations of my objections to the outcome of the vote as "pissing" and "moaning" offensive. Frankly, I don't see how they can be characterized as anything but carefully considered logical argument. The only who who seems to be arguing from a mainly emotional standpoint is you.
Finally, it seems that even Erik agrees the results of the election are not final, and that the winner is subject to modification. I have heeded his request and am making suggestions on meta for how the puzzle sphere might be improved so as not to be unacceptable to so many people.
- David