Ok, that is an acceptable answer though again I still think we are talking about a really really small group (according to [[Transnistria]], there are 177k RO/MO people in Transnistria of which only some are going to be school age and only some of those not going to Latin scripted schools).
Though Sabine does make a valid point that most of them (the ones in Moldova proper as well) probably can sound out words in any language written using Cyrillic and a large number also are likely to know Russian. To me the more interesting question is how many of them know the RO/MO language in Cyrillic to the exclusion of Latin and are likely to have access to a computer with Internet access.
SKL
Mark Williamson wrote:
It incorrectly represents Moldova? Come on!
Wikipedia uses language as a MEDIUM. If somebody wants to know about the language, they would go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language or http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldau or whichever language they speak article.
They will NOT go to mo.wikipedia.
And you are clearly not in touch with reality. In schools east of the Dniestr river, which teach Moldovan, the Cyrillic alphabet is taught. This fact is a fact and you cannot contest it. This is the usual script.
Now, unless you want to challenge the territorial integrity of Moldova, it seems reasonable to accept that Moldova is, in fact, a biscriptal nation.
As Gerard noted, mo-cyr is not acceptable because it violates conventions.
Mark
On 04/07/06, Liviu Andronic landronimirc@gmail.com wrote:
This is what would reasonably happen, Mark. In my opinion, of course.
Currently people "give a damn" because it represents incorreclty Moldova. Personally, I cannot stand when my country is represented n'*importe comment
- on Wikipedia.
We don't use this writing, Mark. Apart from exceptions, nowhere. This writing, for all areas of life, is a reality of the past. And do not try to discredit my words stating that "he is not in Moldova". I lived my whole life in Moldova, which makes, roughly, 20 years. I read news. I return to Moldova at least one time per year. I know what happens there. We don't use this writing. Other Moldovans that are currently in Moldova could easily backup this.
If you want to write articles, I have nothing against it. Moving all you have done on mo.wikipedia.org to mo-cyr.wikipedia.org would in no way interrupt your work. And your work would cease disturbing people concerned.
But enough on this. Let's see the way the current votehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects#Closure_of_Moldovan_Wikipediaon meta ends.
On 7/4/06, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Is that a threat?
Why should anyone "give a damn" now? What reason is there for people to not just ignore it and work on the Romanian Wikipedia? Really, there is no good reason. Any good Wikipedian should focus on fixing articles, writing new articles, etc., instead of fussing about something like this.
I just want to write articles, but you and your friends insist on interrupting.
Mark
On 04/07/06, Liviu Andronic landronimirc@gmail.com wrote:
Everyone will start ignoring it, as soon as the Moldovan Wikipedia gets
out
of the mo.wikipedia.org domain. No one would give a damn about it.
On 7/4/06, Mark Williamson <node.ue@gmail.com > wrote:
Would it really make everyone happy?
No.
There would still be people whinging endlessly that it should be closed and/or deleted.
Mark
On 03/07/06, Liviu Andronic < landronimirc@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that simple ignoring of this project would make it disappear
in
a
one-two year time.
What the you do not get is that there is one simple solution: move
mo to
mo-cyr. And everyone gets happy.
Is this so difficult?
On 7/2/06, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > You do not get it. > > It is an annoyance. One of the points made is that the Moldovan > wikipedia is just trolling. Consider what makes a troll thrive; > attention. The more attention that you give it, ANY attention the
more
> it will get entrenched. There is this saying: "I do not care what
they
> say about me as long as they write my name correctly", all this > attention makes the mo.wikipedia "relevant". If it is not
relevant,
> refrain from giving it attention and at some time it will just > evaporate. If it does not, it cannot be considered trolling and
you
are
> plain wrong. > > The best thing for you to do: shut up. Ignore this project.
Everybody
> will be happier and maybe you will be proven to be right. > > Thanks, > GerardM > > > Liviu Andronic wrote: >> I would have to object to the position taken by people who can
make
a
>> difference. >> >> IMHO, all this Moldovan issue annoys you as much as it does me.
I do
not
>> want to dispute on this, as much as you do not want to read all
this
> junk. >> I am wondering if the Moldovan Wikipedia is such unimportant an
issue. I
>> agree that it is a rarely used Wikipedia. And still, for an
unimportant
>> Wikipedia, it does create a lot of headache to the entire
community.
If
> this >> issue flames every three months on this mailing list and on all
possible
>> Talk pages and triggers revert-wars on related English and
Moldovan
>> Wikipedia articles, then I believe that there is obviously a
problem.
>> Not that this entire dispute be fair or ethical - it is a dirty
war
that
> I >> personally detest -, but is it an ethically correct position for
those
> who >> can make a difference to just ignore? >> >> Is it so unimportant that a whole Wikipedia section could create > confusion >> and desinformation? Isn't Wikipedia supposed to provide a "free > encyclopedia >> of the highest possible quality"? >> >> Personally for me, it is strange how people with the ability to
take
and
>> implement a decision, simply choose to ignore. All possible and > impossible >> arguments were already presented here, on the mailing list, and
all
over
>> the English and Moldovan Wikipedia, and on Metawiki. What rests
to
do is
> use >> common sense to decide on this issue. >> >> It is even stranger for me the way a decision already taken by
stewards
> and >> bureaucrats was simply ignored and not implemented. >> >> But, then, it is up to the decision-makers to decide the stance
to
> adopt. I >> still hope that they will choose as soon as possible to stop > deliberately >> ignoring this issue. The problem is that this issue will not
cease
>> re-appearing on this mailing-list. My reason for this is that an
entire
>> country and population (this makes an approximate 3.5 million
persons)
> are >> incorrectly represented on Wikipedia. And one of these, or me -
if
no
> one >> else does it -, will certainly re-open this discussion in a
two-three
> months >> time. >> >> If you managed to read till this point, thank you. >> >> Liviu >> >> On 6/30/06, Brion Vibber < brion@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> Jacky PB wrote: >>> >>>> Where are the decision makers? Isn't there nobody >>>> >>> No one else is interested in this issue, and getting involved
would
> mean >>> wasting >>> a lot of time with people fighting a lot over something
unimportant.
> The >>> safest >>> course is thus to leave a rarely-used wiki sitting there, same
as
we do
>>> with >>> dozens of other rarely-used wikis and nobody minds. >>> >>> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikipedia-l mailing list >>> Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >
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