Yes - simply say "Macedonians" and have a section saying "there are those who debate the exact naming of Macedonians - be they Macedonian Slavs, Macedonian Greeks,..."
Something like that.
James
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mark Williamson Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:43 PM To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Macedonian name on English Wikipedia
Why not [[Macedonians]]?
That page can discuss the whole issue, and link to [[Macedonians (FYROM)]], [[Macedonians (Greece)]], and perhaps [[Macedonians (ancient)]].
Mark
On 30/08/05, Delirium delirium@hackish.org wrote:
Ray Saintonge wrote:
"Nation" is often an ambiguous term. The tendency in English is to equate it with a particular state or country, but it can sometimes represent other groups that see themselves as distinct cultural entities without political independence.
Yes, I agree with that; in this case, *both* meanings are actually used---Even if we take the context to specifically be "Republic of Macedonia" and keep the Greeks out of the picture for the moment, "Macedonian" may mean either *any* citizen of the Republic of Macedonia, or a specific ethnic group within that country (primarily excluding the ethnic-Albanian RoM citizens). For example, "Macedonian Foreign Minister [x]" refers to whoever the foreign minister of the country is, regardless of his or her ethnicity.
The problem with [[Macedonian (ethnicity)]] though, is that northern Greeks /also/ consider themselves to be ethnically Macedonian, which they consider one of the Greek ethnic groups (much like "Pontian", "Cypriot" [although Turkish Cypriots claim this one too], or "Cretan"). Which is of course the whole crux of the RoM vs. FYROM international dispute.
So, if [[Macedonian Slavs]] is offensive, [[Macedonian (nationality)]] is ambiguous, and [[Macedonian (ethnicity)]] is both ambiguous and POV, then what /do/ we use?
-Mark
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