You know what, I think everything one says is a POV.
Yes, and on Wikipedia, people try to work together to make it more neutral. However, Pavel was not open to that.
This is why Moldovan Wikipedia ought to be deleted. It can never be a *neutral* place. It is from the very start of it a POV. And Pavel, he is just one of the Moldovans and Romanians that strongly disagree to its existence. He is just showing his feelings more than others.
Well, what's the point of keeping mo., if it's just like ro. ?
Please re-read that paragraph again. It wasn't just like ro.wiki until Pavel moved pages and replaced their contents...
It is not Pavel to be blamed for the similarity of mo.wiki and ro.wiki. Taking into consideration that it is the same language on both Wikipedias, and that the are a lot of mo.wiki contents that are mere transliterations from ro.wiki - very bad transliterations, by the way -, the questions stays: "what's the point of keeping mo.?". Even if you do not have much knowledge in Romanian or Moldovan, you can convince yourself of the similarity of the articles: http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Гречия and http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grecia. This is not by far a singular example. I found it with the help of http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random.
Furthermore, this mo.wiki is full of errors and mistakes. It is really awful to read its pages. And this is due to the fact that most of the contributions and the two by far biggest contributors (Russ with 208 edits and Node_ue with 185, while the total number of articles is 360 on Dec 10, 2005 ) are made by people that do not know the Romanian language. The biggest Moldovan contributor on mo.wiki - to my knowledge - is Dmitriid [ http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dmitriid], with a total of 10 contributions [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wikistats/EN/TablesWikipediaMO.htm]. And even he is a native Russian speaker and knows Romanian at an intermediate level. This a place of high low-quality content.
My point is: Moldovan Wikipedia is disastrous at the moment and has no future.
Romanians are not foreigners on the Moldovan Wikipedia!
Ro.wikipedians are. Romanians who are established mo.wikipedians, like Ronline, are not "foreigners". But most -- Bogdan, AdiJapan, Bonaparte -- are foreigners.
Read the previous messages. Any Romanian is directly concerned by mo.wikipedia and has all the right not to be considered as foreigner there.
And it's going to be this way as long as people are uninformed by such pages
as mo.wikipedia.org! All the people should know that: There is no Moldovan/Moldavian/Moldoveneasca Language!
About half of the native speakers of Limba Noastra in Rep. Moldova disagree with you. They consider they speak "limba moldoveneasca". If it was open-and-shut, there would be no controversy about language in R.Moldova, people would just accept the so-called "fact" you just said. But it's not 100% clear-cut, it's not obvious one way or the other. Different people came to different conclusions, splitting the country ideologically, and the government considers it "limba moldoveneasca". We can't just say on Wikipedia, "there is no Moldovan language", because it is _not neutral_ -- millions disagree.
Now, please take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova#Demographics , especially at the correctness of the 2004 census: "About 2004 census".
Now, about my already beloved Moldovan language. One may consider Moldovan from three points of view:
First of all this is the the name given by the Moldovan Constitution to the Romanian language. I have also found a nice example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova#Comparison_with_Romanian . [Article 13, The National Language, Use of Other Languages
(1) The national language of the Republic of Moldova is Moldovan, and its writing is based on the Latin alphabet.]
Secondly, this is the name of the dialect spoken in Moldova, that is a badly *spoken *Romanian. The written part stays identical to Romanian (minor, minor differences; far less that American and British English) and is more appropriate to the previous paragraph. It is better developed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan.
Thirdly, this is the name for the Romanian language written in a Cyrillic script. More detailed information about this script [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_alphabet]: "The Moldovan alphabet is a Cyrillic alphabet derived from the Russian alphabet and developed for the Romanian/Moldovan language in the Soviet Union in the 1930s. It was the official script in Moldavian ASSR and between 1940 and 1989 in the Moldavian SSR and still is the official and the only accepted alphabet in Transnistria." You may notice that Cyrillic Romanian/Moldovan was always * imposed* in Moldova beginning with stalinist time and continuing today in Transnistria. That is, Moldovans were not and are not enthusiastic, the least to say, on the use of the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet. One could find more information on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language#Artificial_evolution_of_Roman... . However, please notice that this page as well as some other Moldova related pages are *currently protected* and, consequently, their contents are disputed.
I am saying this as a person who has lived all his life in Moldova, who
speaks Romanian and Russian fluently and who knows much about the
history of
his nation's language and traditions.
...do you know of Grigore Ureche? In his Chronicles of the Moldovan Nation (letopisetul tarii moldovei), he has a chapter titled "about our Moldovan language" (pentru limba noastra moldoveneasca). He wrote his Chronicles in Cyrillic. He was not under Soviet time -- on the contrary, he was an early Moldovan patriot who wrote a lot of valuable material about his country. And this was before Russia annexed Bessarabia.
And Node, do you know of Grigore Ureche? Ever read what he wrote? And how in the earth did you make him a Moldovan patriot (as in opposition to Romanian nationalism, I guess). Take a nice look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigore_Ureche. In his chapter titled *about** **our Moldovan language,* "Ureche asserted that the Moldavian language was the same language as Wallachian and that Moldavians, Wallachians, and Transylvanians, were of the same ethnicity. [...] which would eventually lead to the rise of 18th century Romanian nationalism." Alternatively, please read http://www.scriptorium.ro/carti/grigore_ureche/grigore_ureche-letopisetul_ta... .
OK. So if anyone got to this line: congratulations!
-- Liviu