On 7/15/05, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
[...] The sad thing is that Mark has some valid points to make, points that are drowned out by the torrent of e-mails that he sends to make these points.
Mark does have valid points, which is why I have objected to him being blocked from the list. He does a lot of research into languages in order to post about them, but I am concerned the discussion (not only Mark's posts) is now getting to the stage where it is doing more harm than good. As I mentioned on meta earlier today (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_new_languages#Discussion_isn.27t_always_a_good_thing), the amount of discussion surrounding language requests is leading to it becoming impossible for developers to ascertain when they should be making a new wiki.
I hope Mark is willing to accept this because if things go on as they do, I will ask if it is possible to have him banned from this list.
It isn't only Mark who needs to adapt his behaviour, but everyone involved in the requests for new languages procedure. I would prefer if all these language discussions could be kept in one place on Meta, making it much easier to see when the issues were resolved, and hopefully making the process to getting a new wiki a little bit easier. Currently, the requests page asks for a link to the mailing list discussion, but perhaps this should be coming later, after discussion between interested parties on the wiki, rather than being the first step in a new language request.
Angela.