Erik wrote:
I'd be more interested in hearing ways to make it more intuitive than "turn it off for these browsers".
The 2) toobar is fatally flawed; as I said before it is a word processor-like toolbar that doesn't do what such a toolbar is expected to do. A static HTML table outside the wiki text area of an edit window with just the basics:
Bold ''' '''' Italics '' '' Heading == ==
Would be far better than the 2) toolbar.
I see no need to confuse newbies of non-mainstream browsers when there is an already existing link to editing help on every page.
I suspect that your reaction is more the result of already knowing that the selection+click feature works in some browsers, so I'd like to see some broader usability results (i.e. having it on by default with the current setup for a couple of weeks) before I draw any conclusions.
I got that expectation from the bar itself.
Still plenty more I've already wrote on this here:
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-January/013838.html
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)