Templates should tell us something, not to confuse people about the facts.
I have the idea about that. May we write in info-boxes: "This user speaks <whatever language name> which is mutually understandeble with <lang1>, <lang2>, <lang3>..."
In general, I don't care about user language boxes when we are talking about Shtokavian standards/potential standards because I know the whole story... But, what about some "exotic" languages where we can be very confused with language naming? Without clear classification, we would get a lot of idiosyncretic "languages" and user language boxes whould be useless.
What others think about the idea?
On 10/24/05, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Arbeo, this is about templates on userpages, not articles.
Mark
On 24/10/05, Arbeo M arbeo_m@yahoo.de wrote:
--- Milos Rancic millosh@mutualaid.org schrieb:
So, less of 250 people say that their language is Zlatiborian language and this speech is the basis of the Serbian Iyekavian standard.
While I don't have anything against anyone who says that "(s)he is speaking Glapolgaptoringian language" even if it is literal English, I think that:
- Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. If
Glapolgaptoringian is the same as English and 100 humans call it Glapolgaptoringian, then it may be noted in the article about English that some people call it in such way. Idiosyncretic naming should stay inside of user space (yes, I agree to move it into Aleksandra's user space but not redirect, and I would say it on the TfD page). Otherwise it makes mass.
- Wikipedia is not the place for ethnical/national
constitution. In the case of Zlatiborian, English Wikipedia is used for that case ("Zlatiborian exists, you can see the article about Zlatiborian on Wikipedia!") I would support Zlatiborians if they are asking for schools in Zlatiborian etc., even I think it is silly. But, I _didn't_heard_ about them and their needs yet!
So, if it is OK to say in Wikipedia article "10 people call Serbian language Zlatiborian" or "Mark Williamson calls English language Glapolgaptoringian", it is OK to keep the language tag.
Of course, everybody should have the right to call their language whatever they want. However, an encyclopedia (even a 'free' one!) nevertheless has to focus on scientific facts rather than on (possibly radical) personal opions. From the very small language sample given at RfWinL one can easily tell that "Zlatiborian" is at the most a dialect of the whole sr/hr/bs/sh or whatever-you-wanna-call-it language.
A useful question we could ask ourselves here could be: "Would any well-renowned printed encyclopedia feature an article on 'Zlatiborian'?"
Arbeo
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