Anthony DiPierro wrote:
Sean Barrett wrote:
Not sure what's *horrible* about no derivative works. Wikipedia doesn't need to alter most images. I'd take cc-nd over copyrighted with fair use. If cc-nd is completely unacceptable, then so is fair use, right?
The GFDL states that third-generation copiers can alter the work, so long as they maintain its history. If you say that about work you only have cc-nd or fair use rights to, you're in violation.
Not according to Jimbo, you're not.
This is not really an accurate representation of my position, actually. Anthony is onto something, but my position is more complex that his simple statement would make it out to be.
Clause 7 of the contemplates aggregation with independent works. Some paradigm cases of this would be combining different essays in a book, or combining photos with text. If the independent works in the aggregate are not themselves derivative works of the Document, and when the copyright resulting from the compilation is not used to lmit the legal rights of the compilation's users _beyond_ what the individual works permit, all is well.
Fair use is a completely separate matter, having nothing to do with clause 7.
Here's a handy table:
our GFDL text + nonfree photo = not a license violation, but not appropriate for Wikipedia
our GFDL text + free photo = not a license violation, VERY appropriate for wikipedia
our GFDL text + fair use photo = not a license violation, should be used sparingly for Wikipedia (more sparingly than what we've done to date, in my opinion, but first we're working to catalog everything so we can do some appropriate analysis)
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As to why CC-ND (=No derivs) is bad, well, it's not GNU free. The right to make derivative works is an important right. It might be viewed by some as less important in the context of a photo or text, as opposed to software code, but I personally don't think so. I think it's very important in our medium.
Would I prefer to have a CC-ND photo to one which is licensed to Wikipedia for our use only? Not really. Both are unacceptable.
--Jimbo