Jens Ropers a écrit:
On 9 Jan 2005, at 08:24, Anthere wrote:
Now... whatever your opinion NSK, please respect Jens work. He took time to set these flags, many websites use such a mean, and it has the merit of being visual, so easier to navigate. I wish that no flame war begins over the topic, so choose your words more carefully.
Thanks :)
And while you may disagree with my proposal, I'd still like to bolster the case for flags and add that images are easier click targets. Try a speed test -- from loading http://www.wikipedia.org , how long does it take to click on Japanese? Then try http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? title=Www.wikipedia.org_portal&oldid=88466 , how long does it take you there? (I would have offered Hebrew, but the metric's horribly biased, because there's only one inline flag -- added just before the reverting started.)
I still think flags/images are a generally preferable solution. Yes, there would be fights over, say, Chinese and the flag of the PR of China. Or over English and using a US flag. But I think the entire Wikipedia concept shows that risking it, doing it anyway and letting the wiki process do its magic can solve these issues -- and it's better than having a dull text-only page forever.
-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com
I agree it is easier. But most languages are spoken in several countries.
For example, it is quite difficult to convince outsider that the wikipedia in french is NOT the wikipedia france, but wikipedia francophone. I think this is relevant, because while french is spoken in France, while we have this academy trying to decide for us how french should be properly spoken, la francophonie is MUCH much bigger than just my country. And the countries where the language is spoken own the language just as we do. We are already an overbearing lot in the wikipedia, we should not do anything that might suggest we own this wikipedia in some way.
Look at this http://qatarfrancophonie.free.fr/cartfranc.html
And this is true for many other languages as well. We just can't ignore this and take the risk to imply there is a sort of national relationship between our projects and countries.
This is very important Jens. We are not nations. And flags are symbols of nations.
Anthere