Hoi, There are several things on our plate (language sub committee) and what we seem to have consensus on in our little group is that we want to do finish a thing before we actively take up another. The mo.wikipedia is not at the top of our list at the moment. A few things I can say because they are my current ideas. When people vandalise the mo.wikipedia it is extremely disrespectful and destructive. My first advise would be to have anyone banned on any project who vandalises or disrupts the mo.wikipedia and the use of sock puppets is part of that problem. The second would be to investigate to what extend it is possible to convert from script to script. During this time the mo.wikipedia is allowed to function normally and to get its house in order. Essential is that this would be an undisturbed period of time ie more vandalism only extends the time that the mo.wikipedia stays separate. I would favour a merge of the ro and the mo wikipedia and certainly when it is possible to convert from and to either script / orthography that would be great. However, given the political problems involved, the war fought and not won by either party this can only happen when particularly the ro.community demonstrates that they will accept NPOV and are tolerant on this hot topic.
As I have indicated before, the Moldovan language entity will be part of future development of the ISO-639. I have inside information to this effect from the ISO-639-6 standard that is under development. This means that it is perfectly reasonable to have a scenario where the mo.wikipedia stays active and is allowed to prosper. In such a scenario I will suggest to the WMF board to impose the banning of those people on all WMF projects who vandalise the mo.wikipedia if this scenario were to happen.
To conclude; the merging of the mo.wikipedia and the ro.wikipedia is something that has to be earned. It can be earned by exhibiting the behaviour that we expect of good Wikimedians, tolerance and NPOV. Without this it is unreasonable to expect from those who are in favour of a mo.wikipedia to accept that they /have /to merge. When it is the /contributors /to the mo.wikipedia who misbehave, it would only make the arguments stronger for an end to the mo.wikipedia.
Again, what I have expressed here are my personal ideas. I expect however that it is not far off from where the other languages sub committee members will be.
Thanks, GerardM
TSO1D From Wikpedia schreef:
Gerard, could you please tell me if the committee's deliberations are made open to the general public for viewing and/or participation? Also, do you know what a prospective date for a decision might be? Thanks, TSO1D.
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, For your information, the language sub committee has been asked to come up with an advise about the mo.wikipedia.
From my perspective, the first thing that will be required to come to a
solution is to first clean up the mo.wikipedia by normalising it. This should lead to a situation where it is discussed how we can come to an integration where both Romanian in Cyrillic and Latin will have there place. Effectively the mo.wikipedia has not been closed and, certainly not all wikipedians of the world agreed on this.
Having a standard main page for the mo.wikipedia like any other project is a good first step for some normalisation. I do welcome Yann's courage.
Thanks, GerardM
ro.wiki schreef:
I'll like to report an abuse on mo.wiki. This came from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Yann (Yann). As it seems he edited http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page to redirect to http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D3%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%... . I guess he also changed the default entry page (the first page that apairs when entering mo.wikipedia.org in the adress bar) from http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page to http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D3%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%... . This changes should be reverted as the decision taken some while ago was to block this Wikipedia, and as he recognised on this page , there was no discussion to change that in anyway. Moreover it was decided finaly that this Wikipedia should be closed, but Yann chose unilateraly to break the decision taken by Wikipedians all over the world.
Regards, Danutz