--- Toby Bartels toby+wikipedia@math.ucr.edu wrote:
Anthere wrote in part:
I support system that could automatically detect a potential problem. It is very likely that
- one user/ip saving every minute for more than 10
mn
is a potential problem
- any edit replacing more than xxxx characters by x
characters (except redirect...) is a potential
problem
- any edit replacing more than xxxx characters by
an
image that was downloaded less than tt minutes
before
is a potential problem
But, then, what good would it do, if an automatic system detect a potential problem but has no human
to
warn ?
OK, here's an idea: We should develop (on [[m:]]) a Bayesian vandal detector. We'll implement this detector (or versions of it) on every wiki, and set up a mailing list of militia members to be warned when the detector suspects vandalism. The catch is, the mailing list is international. So if there's vandalism on [[fr:]], then I can learn about it and respond to it during the time that I'm online, even if none of the French speakers are online then. (Of course, I need to know a little French to do this, so I can list the languages that I know a little of when I sign up for the mailing list, lest I get warnings about vandalism on [[zh:]] that I can't safely do anything about.)
This seems like all good ideas to me. Now, the tough point is how to detect mostly vandalism, but not confuse good users with vandals...
Mav said
Seems like a good set of ideas to me. Under a
multilanguage >Phase IV,
Very likely yes
however, wouldn't it be a good idea to have sysops be sysops >for all languages? If this were the case I would pop into several
different >languages periodically to check for obvious vandalism.
En.wiki has sysops watching it 20-24 hours a day so
if en.wiki >sysops popped in to check various other languages periodically >(esp. during the no, or slow edit times you talk about) then >that should provide better coverage against the most blatant >goat sex type vandalism and vandal bots.
That's a tough point really. Theoretically, it sounds natural that somebody trusted for one wiki should be trusted on another (though, to be honest...I am not convinced myself). Practically, that's could be a problem unfortunately. The english wiki process while deciding who should be a sysop or not is done through peer review (general behavior, respect to the community standards...). But, communities don't have the same standards, and what is ok on one could be hardly tolerable on another. And the tobe-sysop being not known, how would it be ok to accept somebody you don't know (say would you blindly accept Shaihulud as a sysop ?), while you reject somebody you know, just on the behalf he is refusing to change his name ?
I know you Mav, so I would say "yes, please, come and help us", and I thank you very much for your proposition. But why would other french agree for somebody they don't know to have more admin "power" than they have ?
Btw, didnot tmc changed his name as the community was 'kindly' asking him ?
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