On 11/21/06, Artur Fijałkowski wiki.warx@gmail.com wrote:
2006/11/21, Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com:
Now let me try and shift the debate a little here. Let us consider that the ESA, or whatever other organisation, comes up with a licence of their own. Let us imagine they allow free use of their images (in our free sense) *except* for political propaganda. Would that in any way be an acceptable thing to go by? Or is that definitely something we can't accept? It's a real question, I have no real opinion about this.
We are trying to forget (maybe even successfully) that even our free licenses have some exceptions:
- things like COAs which are in most countries PD, aren't 100% free -
eg. local government can make their own restrictions about their COA on their territory which reduces freedom :)
- If I put someones photo on CC-BY-SA (and he has given me right to do
it) it doesn't mean that this image can be used eg. for advertising anti conception pills, because this person has still rights to protect his image..
So if ESA has only this problem, I think, that ''special'' license compatible in every other aspect with PD, or CC-BY-SA is acceptable, but if ESA wants as stated some posts earlier any special treatment (educational use only, etc.) it's killing idea of freedom and I don't know how about other wikimedians, but I will leave projects, because I'm not worse than ESA so I want same treatment!
I think you're pointing out exactly what I tried to explain in David's reasoning, which I believe he probably expressed the wrong way around. Or which I am twisting to my way around ;-).
My take is that these organisations need to be taught that it's better to make a licence with two exceptions (advertisement and political purposes, for example) rather than try the broader and anyway, in my opinion, non enforceable way of "educational and informational use only". And I may be dreaming, but I am pretty sure that with time and patience we can bring these organisations to something like that and end up with free-er images and material than an "educational use only" type thing.
Thanx also for bringing up the COA question, because I had that in mind as I wrote my post, but don't know enough about it to use it as an example.
Delphine