OK, now you're just spewing anti-Western rubbish. I am an opponent of colonialism. End of discussion.
Mark
On 14/11/05, Milos Rancic millosh@mutualaid.org wrote:
Mark, I was very angry while I was thinking that you are much older then you are. But, when I realize what was me in your age, I can say that you have great advantage to become a good and qualitative person in the future. You are an important member of Wikipedian community, you are working a lot and with good faith and I am sure that you would become just more and more important community member through the time.
In the most of my emails your behaviour was just an example which I used to show others what is wrong in community. I don't think that you are a dangerous person (as I thought while I was thinking that you are much older), but older persons who are better organized then you can be real thereat to the community.
The idea about Wikipedian community is to grow up and to be independent of Jimbo's power to decide what is right in the moment when community doesn't have any response. Community should grow up and I am talking about this. I could send an email to Jimbo with the words "Jimbo, please stop the parody about Zlatiborian!", but this is not the right way for solving problems. Because the problem would not be to have Zlatiborian Wikipedia, the problem would be to have a number of tries of making non-existing language Wikipedias. And this is the matter of community, not the matter of constant Jimbo's decisions.
On 11/14/05, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Your mails sound good in theory at a number of occassions. But your theories are often impossible realities.
Maybe I am asking too much, but I would try it :)
And I would use Mark as an example once again, but, Mark, this is not about you personally.
When Mark says: "This has to be done in this way and it should produce that",
- "This has to be done" means that Mark is young;
- "in this way" means that he has "colonialist arrogance"; and
- "it should produce that" means that Mark is Westerner.
(To be clear: A lot of other cultures are also aggressive such Western is. But, I am not now talking to Aztecks nor to Hutus nor to Balkanians. I am talking now on the list where Westerners are great majority for sure.)
The third part is Walters "sounds good in theory", too :)
What about people who don't want the same as Westerners want?
So, all of us should think a lot before any step made from the power position. This power can be factual, but it can be "social", too. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
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