2005/11/23, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com:
On 22/11/05, ilooy ilooy.gaon@gmail.com wrote:
This behavior will not be tolerated.
Unacceptable.
Ah, so you are the kind that tolerates this stuff, eh? Mark, I thought I knew ye!
This person is not the only one who has done this type of activity at the ia.wiki ...and... to substain this type of abuse is just intolerable.
If he's not the only one, then maybe there's some solid reasoning behind it?
No it just means there are others who shouldn't perhaps have been given adminship to work on a wiki whose language they don't speak nor post in. Severeal times he was asked to post in Interlingua or English but not in Dutch which few understood at the ia.wiki
Hundreds and hundreds of articles have been deleted since this wiki
"Articles they were working on"... last time I checked, the Great Purges at ia.wiki were all of itty-bitty articles, some less than 5 words. Find me one that was more than a paragraph, and I'll be surprised.
Ah, so you check the ia.wiki as well, that's all good, Mark. And why is an article with five words that one's been working on to be deleted at someone's whim? Now you know if you've been frequenting the ia.wiki, as you say, that there were many articles which had indeed many many paragraphs and which were deleted. Articles which showed a lot of edits and personal work... case in point Paolo's work and Jasef's work. These two folks aren't in the habit of just writing 5 words as you say. And if the articles were deleted how is it you knew that some had just 5 words unless you were one of the "saboteurs" who deleted tons of articles yourself???
Only because I know you stand up for minority languages that I would ever doubt you'd do something like that, Mark. But if I see it's you by another username I'm halting your editing priviledges as well until this matter is resolved.
I and a lot of other ia.wiki contributors find this situation intolerable.
It depends on the Wikipedia. I posted a stub on the Zuñi language to the Japanese WP. A month later, it was deleted for being a stub, despite the fact that it was a few sentences long. Different WPs have different thresholds of quality.
Again, since when do we simply delete articles people are working on only because we deem them "mere stubs"... Isn't the English wiki filled with many articles claiming to be "stubs" and requesting a visitor to help out? You know it's true, Mark, are you simply trying to be the Devils Advocate or are you seriously saying here that all stubs should be deleted?
I consider this attack on the ia.wiki to be akin to vandalism. It has got to stop and it better stop soon.
You consider? You?
I do. And since when should you question my own right to an opinion?
And remind me how many people there are at ia.wiki?
Your only type of authority is that you are an admin.
You may, and I should remind you that if you bring this type of attitude to the interlng list there would be quite a vociferous outcry requesting you'd be kicked out. I'm sure. You don't gain any friends by kicking down folks who've been victimized by such abuse as the ia.wiki has had to undergo... you may call them "purges" I call them "abuse" and vandalism.
Rather than BLOCKING HIM, which is utterly inappropriate,
Somewhere in your mind you may believe that. But I'm not putting up with it and I'm sure many others who've volunteered to work on the project and who've reached out to help by giving of their time and effort would also have done likewise.
you should've REQUESTED HE BE DESYSOPPED for what you considered to be inappropriate actions on his part.
Well, you may have done it differently. But you don't, obviously don't, get the emails from people crying out that their work has disappeared, that someone has been deleting articles, that there's no record of there being such articles in any log and that it feels like someone is definitely sabotaging the progress of the ia.wiki.
No, you probably don't see such emails, do you? And when you're totally fed up with the situation what does someone do? Well, I did what I felt would be the right action. I quarantined the user name on this particular wiki and I made mention of it on this list. You, Mark, may handle things differently, that is your prerogative. But if I catch you sabotaging a wiki I'm a sysop in you're rear is canned until the situation gets resolved. ...to put it plainly.
Whatever I can do to halt this form of abuse I will do. And so would any other reasonable member of this community. I'm sure.
So anybody who disagrees with you isn't reasonable? I'm sure.
No, Mark, not whoever disagrees with me. Whoever deletes other peoples' work and sabotages the progress of a wiki I've dedicated to help out as a sysop.
"Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin
That's right, so please don't start acting like Stalin and don't support vandals who think ia.wiki should be an "animal farm" either. There are good people there, good people with feelings, who've devoted many hours of editing articles for this fine project. Please Mark, consider whose side you're on and why you're defending this intolerable situation.
Since, Jay B. [[ia.User:ILVI]]