Hi everyone,
I hate to say it but I am getting contradictory information from you and Heiko.
In fact, I am getting contradictory information from the various things you write yourself.
Mark, it is no use arguing about all this with you any longer.
Yet, in this page you wrote yourself, the classification implies that Twente is further from Grunningen, than Schleswig-Holstein LS is from Stellingwarven? This is where your argument falls apart into inconsistency.
Nevertheless they share one important thing: a heavy influence of Dutch in all areas where Low Saxon lacks modern words.
Please, help us to reconcile your classification with your statements.
No Mark, the whole discussion has last much too long. Let's make it short and clear: it is not up to you to decide all for yourself about what is right and what is wrong. It was a long way to convince you that we need a separate wikipedia for those Low Saxon speakers that come from the Netherlands. Again: there are two grave factors. Spelling and vocabulary. Now you want to make fun of us and want to cause confusion by demanding 5 (in words five !!!) new wikipedias for "Dutch Low Saxon". Now this is ridiculous.
Also, how do you explain for the websites I linked you to? They use such terms as "drentse taol" rather than "drentse streektaol" or "drentse dialekt"... nobody says "spellingswyse" like you do on your test-mainpage, they all used different terms... it's suspicious.
Mark, I am fed up with trying to explain things to you.
And, why do you change your mind now about Low Saxon being your native language?? It either is, or it isn't.
He made perfectly clear how he sees himself. Please read it again.
Heiko makes a distinction of spelling, not seeming to have realised yet that orthographic conversion is a full possibility although I tried to explain it ...
Mark, we are not interested in such a converter. Again: the difference is spelling AND vocabulary. When editing nds.wikipedia.org I do not want to be limited by having to worry about side effects of your converter. Finding the right words for nds.wikipedia.org is difficult enough. We have spent quite some time on finding words where most dictionaries fail. (E.g. what is "jungle" in Platt, or "abbot"? It took us quite some time to sort that out.) So please, please stop talking about your converter. This might work for converting azerbaijani from cyrillic to latin, but not for us. (As the saying goes: "Which part of NO don't you understand.")
You may have gotten 5 supporters, but how many of them can write in this "Dutch Low Saxon" language you speak of?
5 is five. period. Servien wants to go on and we back him up. And I am very much curious to find out what the community will look like that will form from this seed. I really want to know, and I want to see this started soon.
Perhaps the main point in all this discussion with you has not been mentioned before. you do not even come from the Low Saxon language area. It is OUR language, not YOURS, and how many or how few wikipedias we want for our Low Saxon language is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, and whether or not nds-nl.wikipedia.org will be created is not up to you to decide. This is my final word.
So here again is my official request: please create nds-nl.wikipedia.org, or is this the wrong place to ask for this? If so, please tell me whom to ask.
Regards,
Heiko