Also, it seems to me that Walter, Wouter, and Servien are intent on ignoring the issue of nds.wiki being in Missingsch rather than real nds. But this is a real issue, and we need to deal with it. I have personally received complaints from members of lowlands-l about nds.wiki being in Missingsch, which is not actually Low Saxon but rather a "contact variety".
Surely, mutual intelligiblity would be increased very much if this huge problem were solved. I'm sure one of the main problems is the fact that it's written in Missingsch.
Perhaps before starting nds-nl.wiki, somebody should start real-nds.wiki, and after that we can see if things are any better.
Mark
On 03/07/05, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
And of course, since people disagree with me, I should change my opinion? Isn't that what a difference of opinion is? Disagreement?
Until somebody convinces me of what they're trying to say, I will not change my opinion.
Boris came very close to convincing me. He made a real, logical argument, responding individually to each of my points, which you, Wouter, and Servien have yet to do.
Surely, as native speakers, since you know so much more about your language than do Boris and I, you should really be very well equipped to do as Boris did, and since you are obviously not stupid, those two factors should combine to make your argument very convincing.
Yet, until now, most of this has been you telling me why my opinion should be less valued, and Wouter repeating over and over the initial reasons given for a separate nds-nl wiki, without giving full responses and rebuttals to the points I made.
Obviously, neither you nor anybody else is obliged to respond in such a manner, but it certainly goes towards reaching an agreement much more than what you have done so far.
Mark
On 03/07/05, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
But I get the idea that you're saying that you think that this discussion should be in Dutch and Low Saxon, at least in the second sentence.
I honestly have to disagree with this. It should either be in any language, as policy says, or in Low Saxon exclusively. There's no reason why it should be in Dutch *and* Low Saxon.
Obviously, Walter's message was not directed at me, but I can understand it better than Kasper's.
You really really really really do not get it do you??????? No one has argued for your POV. You are the only one arguing it! We have had a couple of native speakers argue against you. A couples of others have argued against you and you still go on. Please read what everybody has said. Forgot what stupid braindead me said. Look at the arguments of others.
Walter/Waerth
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