At 19:06 25/09/02 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 09:34, Rob Brewer wrote:
At 04:44 23/09/02 -0500, Tesla Coil wrote:
In no case is it [[Edward Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby]] and [[Edward Stanley, 15th Earl of Derby]]. "English-speakers do not put family names as part of the title."
...which is quite clearly untrue, at least when referring in formal terms to historical figures. The Dictionary of National Biography, for example, lists peers by their family name, as in: CAVENDISH, Spencer Compton, Marquis of Hartington and 8th Duke of Devonshire.
I think Tesla was referring to that specific standard form of quoting a title, where I believe he's correct - you would indeed *not* cite the surname in that particular formulation.
I may have misunderstood Tesla... I understood Tesla to be quoting from [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)]], and took it as a complaint. I'll look in to the convention when I have time.
Rob