2006/7/10, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
It would have been nice if there was ONE reason given why this is not a good idea.
It is never a good idea to make large changes without discussing or at least announcing them in advance.
The only arguments that have been given are hostile; who are you to do such a thing.
The action itself was hostile. On Wikipedia we work with consensus, not one person doing something and the rest being given a fait accompli.
It has been argued that the action deleted messages that are similar in content, because with them being removed, this will allow for an update when the message is changed. It has been argued that all project specific messages are kept....
It has been argued that others want to be part of the decision of what are project specific messages. It has been argued that others want to know what is going to happen. It has been argued that others want to be part of the decision on which message of two similar ones is the better one.
Andre asked why this process was started, he forgets to mention that he is not even an admin so he is not even part of those who maintain the localisation on the nl.wikipedia.
So? I am not the only one who feels that something wrong has happened. As you will find out when the desysop procedure is actually started.
The Dutch wikipedia has become increasingly intolerant; the number of de-sysop procedures have increased dramatically. I think it is appalling that people first start to threaten with de-sysop and expect some grovelling in order to take away this threat. Nothing was done to be ashamed of.
That's your opinion. Mine is that there was. It would have been better to discuss this in advance.
There are good arguments why it has been done, the deletions WERE reverted and it is still not enough to satisfy this lust for blood.
No. Being a sysop is a position of trust. Someone who makes wholesale changes without discussing in advance shakes this trust. Someone who does that and afterward does not realize that it's a bad idea, breaks it.
I do not recognise myself in the Dutch Wikipedia I am sad to say.
Neither do I. But I would recognise myself even less if this kind of actions were to be considered correct.