I just made a wonderful table illustrating grammatical aspects of Hakka which set it apart from Baihuawen: the existance of dual pronouns, the trisyllabic nature of dual and plural pronouns, etc.
See the section of http://zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Node_ue/Tiong-h%C3%B4a_hong-gi%C3%... labelled "kheh-oe"
Mark
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:03:13 +0800, Alex Y. Kwan litalex@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Sheng Jiong wrote:
I have been called talking "crap". I would appreciate if you can argue using facts and not simply call other people's opinions "crap" too.
I, afaik, have never called your words "crap" and if I have, I apologize. What I object to, however, is your constant attempts to demean other people's entirely sincere efforts in creating another wikipedia. The point I'm trying to bring up isn't if their/our project is viable or not, but that your very attitude of disdain implies that you entered into this discussion merely to ridicule those of us who wish to see our proposal accepted.
Maybe you can. But has majority of the Hong Kongers start writing Cantonese down?
I don't know; I've never done a poll about it. But if push comes to shove, I'd say yes, of course yes. For fun, for short messages, for memos, for online BBS, whatever, but yes. You've been asking this question repeatedly, and I, along with everyone else, have been giving the same answer.
Well, that I should ask you people. I find myself engaged in a flame war with three persons whose total number of contributions to Wikipedia are less than that of mine alone.
...You consider this a flame war?! I've been trying to be nothing but perfectly polite. You're the one whom I consider...discourteous.
And how'd you know whether your contributions are more or less than those of us?
And remind you, if you have not already known, one of Chinese Wikipedia's founding member, [[User:Lorenzarius]], was from Hong Kong. And he was one of the main opposer of splitting Chinese Wikipedia into Simplified and Traditional version before there was a conversion script. And [[User:Tomchiukc]] is still an active Hong Kong Wikipedian.
That's...not relevant to this particular discussion. Good for them, yay Hong Kong.
And I'll refrain myself from any discussion about Traditional vs. Simplified Chinese.
Chinese Wikipedian community is relatively small(if you count active contributors, I think there are less than 100), and to have 2 very active users from Hong Kong is already an achievement, considering the percentage of Chinese users in Hong Kong in comparison with mainland China.
Now you're implying something about HKers that I don't have the time to discern. I actually don't find it surprising at all that there are so "many" HKers contributing in wikipedia, but to get into the reasons would be...rude to the mainland Chinese.
Because you are showing me exceptions. I am sure your being able to sit here and write means you should be able to understand what is "widely accepted".
Again, just because we're on different sides of an issue doesn't mean you need to try to insult your opponents.
little Alex
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