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nifty form to search Wikipedia via Google
by Tim Chambers 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Have a look at http://timothy.swiki.net/39. It's on my Todo list.

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Re: ISBN links
by Larry Olin Horn 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

[I've had this in my pending folder since the 16th. Forgot about it until I saw JW's post, so it doesn't sound like a direct reply.] This is trivial compared to most of the requested features, but I'm submitting it as a trial baloon, so to speak, the idea being that some sample code might be more encouraging that just saying "I want this feature" w/o giving any thought to how it might work. Really, I just want to know if submissions like this are acceptible, or if you'd rather not bother with them. One request was that the ISBN links be more explicit, so here's the skeleton of a solution. First, the ISBNLink function in wiki.cgi is simplifed (first enclosure below); it just creates a link to an external script that looks like <a href="/cig-bin/isbn.cgi?nnnnnnnnnn">ISBN nnnnnnnnn</a> The external isbn.cgi script (DEMO below) produces a page that looks like: (standard header here) global explanation blah blah blah .... Barnes and Noble - blah blah blah ... Amazon - blah blah blah ... Pricescan - blah blah blah ... (standard footer here) where the company names are the links to their respective ISBN lookups and the "blah blah blah" is whatever fixed disclaimer/writeup that Wikipedia/Bomis wants to use. Being the lazy guy that I am, the proper coding of isbn.cgi for security and your local standards is left for someone else (grin). loh [this is UseMod 0.92; I've not downloaded the Wikipedia tarball] ---------- replacement for ISBNLink() ---------- sub ISBNLink { my ($rawnum) = @_; my ($rawprint, $html, $num, $first, $second, $third); $num = $rawnum; $rawprint = $rawnum; $rawprint =~ s/ +$//; $num =~ s/[- ]//g; if (length($num) != 10) { return "ISBN $rawnum"; } # LOH: begin modification # replace direct ISBN links with external script # # $first = "<a href=\"http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/" # . "isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=$num\">"; # $second = "<a href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/" # . "ISBN=$num\">" . T('Amazon') . "</a>"; # $third = "<a href=\"http://www.pricescan.com/books/" # . "BookDetail.asp?isbn=$num\">" . T('PriceScan') . "</a>"; # $html = $first . "ISBN " . $rawprint . "</a> "; # $html .= "($second, $third)"; # $html = "<a href=\"/cgi-bin/isbn.cgi?$num\">ISBN $rawprint</a>"; # # LOH: end modification $html .= " " if ($rawnum =~ / $/); # Add space if old ISBN had space. return $html; } ---------- cut here ---------- ---------- isbn.cgi ---------- #! perl ##### WARNING: CONCEPT DEMO ONLY - THIS IS NOT GOOD CODE! ##### $query = $ENV{'QUERY_STRING'}; print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; print "<html>"; print "<head><title>Look up ISBN $query</title></head>"; print "<body>\n"; print "standard header here\n"; print "global explanation blah blah blah ....\n"; print ""; print "<a href=\"http://shop.barnsandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=$query\">Barnes and Noble</a> - "; print "blah blah blah ..."; print "</lp>\n"; print ""; print "<a href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=$query\">Amazon</a> - "; print "blah blah blah ..."; print "\n"; print ""; print "<a href=\"http://www.pricescan.com/books/BookDetail.asp?isbn=$query\">Pricescan</a> - "; print "blah blah blah ..."; print ""; print "standard footer here\n"; print "</body>"; print "</html>\n"; __END__ # end ---------- cut here ----------

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Question regarding existing links
by Peter Jones 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

Just a quick question regarding links. I have just revised an entry (Blade Runner) which included a link to "Philip K. Dick/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". I then went and created a page for "Do Androids Dream...". When I go back and look at the Blade Runner page again, the link in question still appears as an edit link, rather than a "normal" link. However, if I re-edit the Blade Runner page and hit [Preview], the preview displays correctly. I don't want to re-save the page just to fix the link. Is that what I have to do? Or am I doing something else wrong? (Or is there a script which runs through the wikipedia on a regular basis and fixes all these dangling edit links that are no longer dangling?) Pete.

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Question regarding existing links
by Gareth Owen 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

Peter Jones <jonespr(a)optushome.com.au> writes: > I don't want to re-save the page just to fix the link. Is that what I > have to do? Yes. I think its a result of how the wiki software caches pages. Add some whitespace, click "minor edit" and resave... > (Or is there a script which runs through the wikipedia on a regular basis > and fixes all these dangling edit links that are no longer dangling?) I don't know, but its a good idea -- Gareth Owen

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Just wiki.cgi script - please
by kpjas＠promail.pl 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

Hello all, Could someone please send me or put up on a page somewhere just the wiki.cgi script from the English tarball distro ? I'd be very much grateful. Regards, kpj. -- Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz, M.D | Zawsze jestem gotów się uczyć, chociaż nie Czestochowa, Poland ... | zawsze chcę, żeby mnie uczono. Winston S. Więcej cytatów : http://www.cytatowo.prv.pl

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Re: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Wikipedia teamwork
by sanger1＠nupedia.com 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

Bryce (just realized that I had replied just to you rather than the list): I sympathize, but posting on this list frankly isn't going to get anything done. I do only a little work directly on the server; Jason's the man who will have to do this, if this or something like it is what we'll end up doing, exactly. What Jason might not know (so, I've cc'd him) is how seriously you all take this. I certainly would like to see Wikipedia's content easily useable--it will get a lot of new links back to Wikipedia and it will indeed make the project more credible, as someone very correctly said. I have wanted this to be done for months, but, well--our programmers are very busy with projects that actually make money. :-/ Larry You Wrote: >I think what people are trying to politely say is that you may be in >violation of your license... > >My suggestion to get around this with a minimum of time expended would >be to set up a cron job to tarball the wiki databases once a week. > >Login as www-data or nobody or root or whomever >$ crontab -e >0 5 * * 0 /usr/local/bin/tarball_wiki # Weekly Sunday 5am tarball > > >#!/bin/sh >## tarball_wiki script >tar cf /tmp/wiki.tar /home/www-data/wiki_db /home/www-data/cgi- bin/wiki.pl >gzip /tmp/wiki.tar >rm -f /home/www-data/html/wiki.tar.gz >mv /home/www-data/html/wiki.tar.gz /home/www-data/html/wiki- prev.tar.gz >mv /tmp/wiki.tar /home/www-data/html/wiki.tar.gz > > >This will keep the current plus previous week's tarball. >Obviously, you'll have to fiddle the paths to match however your system >is organized. You might need to add some chmod/chown commands if you do >this as a user other than the web user. > >Anyway, IANAL, but I think this little script would get you off the hook >regarding the transparency issue. > >Bryce > >On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 sanger1(a)nupedia.com wrote: >> I agree completely as well. You all must realize, though, that the >> amount of (expensive) paid programming labor Bomis can devote to >> useful and even essential features like this is less than we would >> all like. It would be ideal if some programmers would step up to the >> plate and actually help bring some of these proposals into being. I >> for one would be absolutely delighted. >> >> Larry >> >> You Wrote: >> >On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:56:47AM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: >> >> Jan Hidders <hidders(a)win.tue.nl> writes: >> >> >> >> > Because the GFDL allows you to download everything and start >> your own >> >> > server. >> >> >> >> Well the GFDL also wants transparent copy to be easily available. I >> >> don't consider spidering wikipedia to be an option open to the "man >> >> from the street". >> > >> >FWIW I certainly agree with that, and there should certainly be an >> easy >> >way to download the complete Wikipedia. So you can also add >> my "pretty >> >please" :-) >> > >> >-- Jan Hidders >> > >> >[Wikipedia-l] >> >To manage your subscription to this list, please go here: >> >http://www.nupedia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >> >0 > >[Wikipedia-l] >To manage your subscription to this list, please go here: >http://www.nupedia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

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Making Wikipedia more Google friendly
by Axel Boldt 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

When you do a search on Wikipedia or click on a link, the returned URL looks like http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Poker If somebody likes this page and links to it, then in principle that should increase our standing with Google. But Google doesn't like CGI links. It would be better if the wiki script always returned links of the form http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Poker (actually, I would have prefered http://www.wikipedia.com/Poker, but that's too late now). Is the source code of our wiki perl script available somewhere? Axel

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ISBN links
by Robert Bihlmeyer 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

The automatic links to booksellers provided with ISBN numbers are a good feature overall. I'd rather have them not point at Amazon, though, since they are obviously against freedom (keyword: 1-click patent), and didn't respect my privacy (details on request). I would be more comfortable with links to other outfits (Barns & Noble, whatever). Obviously you may differ on this issue, and if the links to Amazon are kept, I suggest that they use the Amazon Honor System. With this Bomis would receive payment for every traffic that reaches Amazon through one of those links (just like with banner ads). AFAIK, the only thing that must be changed is the base URL used in those links (e.g. putting /wikipedia/ somewhere in there), and of course registering with Amazon. If you implement this, please put up some page stating where the money goes. I'd expect Bomis to earmark the money for the hosting & maintaining costs of wikipedia, but it's always good to have an explicit statement. Perhaps other booksellers offer similar deals, or they could be worked out individually. What do others think? -- Robbe

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Wikipedia teamwork
by sanger1＠nupedia.com 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

I agree completely as well. You all must realize, though, that the amount of (expensive) paid programming labor Bomis can devote to useful and even essential features like this is less than we would all like. It would be ideal if some programmers would step up to the plate and actually help bring some of these proposals into being. I for one would be absolutely delighted. Larry You Wrote: >On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:56:47AM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: >> Jan Hidders <hidders(a)win.tue.nl> writes: >> >> > Because the GFDL allows you to download everything and start your own >> > server. >> >> Well the GFDL also wants transparent copy to be easily available. I >> don't consider spidering wikipedia to be an option open to the "man >> from the street". > >FWIW I certainly agree with that, and there should certainly be an easy >way to download the complete Wikipedia. So you can also add my "pretty >please" :-) > >-- Jan Hidders > >[Wikipedia-l] >To manage your subscription to this list, please go here: >http://www.nupedia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >0

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Wikipedia teamwork
by Gareth Owen 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

kpjas(a)tau.ceti.pl writes: > Hello all, Wikipedia is naturally collaborative. I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Groups seem to organise themselves '''naturally''', and really don't need formal structures, or at least not those that they can't figure out for themselves. If you feel that you can and want to organise a "Tiger Team" for some topic or organise collabaration between the various international wikis, fantastic, go ahead, you certainly don't need offical blessing. I for one can prefer the freewheeling edit-what-I-like-when-I-like wikipedia as it is. As long as we respect each other opinions, and work toward NeutralPointOfView, we don't need any more formal layers of bureaucracy beyond the occasional stern telling off by Larry :) -- Gareth Owen

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