I was describing to someone how Wikipedia works:
"anyone can edit" etc.
He answered with this argument:
"Wikipedia is the triumph of the average person!
of the man in the street!)"
(average meaning: not good, not bad, just OK)
I asked "why?"
His explanation:
"Great brilliant works are built by individuals.
Groups of people can only create average works.
If someone writes something good in the wiki,
other average persons will intervene with his/her
work and turn it into an average work. If someone
writes something bad in the wiki, the others will
again turn it into something of average value.
with your system (meaning: Wikipedia's system)
you can be sure that you will never create
something too bad but also never something too
good. You can create only average articles."
The idea behind his argument was that Wikipedia
will be a good resource as long as it attracts
good cotnributors. but it will soon become an
average site/encyclopaedia because it allows
anyone to join the project and edit, and most
people are just average persons and not brilliant
writers.
Do you think it's true? and how can we answer
this argument?
--Optim
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On Sunday 28 July 2002 03:00 am, The Cunctator wrote:
> What are the articles this person has been changing?
For 66.108.155.126:
20:08 Jul 27, 2002 Computer
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 Exploit
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 AOL
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Leet
20:03 Jul 27, 2002 Root
20:02 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:59 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:58 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Principle of least astonishment
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:52 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
19:51 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
For 208.24.115.6:
20:20 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
For 141.157.232.26:
20:19 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
Most of these were complete replacements with discoherent statements.
Such as "TAP IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFINITION OF THE NOUN HACKER" for Hacker.
For the specifics follow http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist
and look at the contribs.
--mav
I think that this tech talk might be of interest to content contributors on
some of the projects, including English Wikipedia where there has been much
discussion though the years regarding VisualEditor and related topics.
Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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From: Sarah R <srodlund(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 5:17 PM
Subject: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia Tech Talks] New Season Begins: February
27, 2019 at 19:00 UTC
To: <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
I'm excited to announce the return of *Wikimedia Tech Talks!* Tech talks
are short presentations by and for members of the technical community. Tech
talks are intended to create better understanding about technical topics
related to our projects.
*The next Wikimedia Tech Talk, The long and winding road to making Parsoid
the default MediaWiki parser
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tech_talks#Upcoming_tech_talks> by Subbu
Sastry, Principal Software Engineer, will be live-streamed Wednesday,
February 27, 2019 at 19:00 UTC*
Summary:
This will be a talk in 3 (unequal) parts: (a) Parsoid history (b) Porting
Parsoid to PHP: the whys and wherefores (c) From here to Parsoid as the
default.
Parsoid started in 2012 as a project to support Visual Editing and since
then has gone on to support a number of products (Flow, Content
Translation, Kiwix, and Android app). Given that (a) Parsoid's annotated
HTML output enables clients to infer things about wikitext without having
to parse wikitext, (b) the PHP parser cannot support Visual Editor and
other products, and (c) we cannot continue to have two parsers, it is
inevitable that Parsoid will be the default parser for MediaWiki. This has
been known since at least 2015 but while we are nearer to that goalpost, we
are still not quite there yet. In this talk, we'll talk about what else
needs to be completed, and what the porting of Parsoid to PHP means for
this goal.
YouTube stream for viewers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQGfuLP9MqA
During the live talk, you are invited to join the discussion on IRC at
#wikimedia-office
You can watch past Tech Talks here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tech_talks
If you are interested in giving your own tech talk, you can learn more
here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Calendar/How_to_schedule_an_event#Te…
As always, feel free to reach out to me with any questions!
Kindly,
Sarah R. Rodlund
Technical Writer, Developer Advocacy
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Developer_Advocacy>
srodlund(a)wikimedia.org
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From: Leila Zia <leila(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why We Read Wikipedia in your language
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi all,
Update time.
Given that this is a long email: there is an action item in the 5th
bullet point below for the language communities who want to
participate in the next iteration of the study. If you are interested
to have your language included in the study, we need a response by
2019-02-15. See below for more.
* The paper on Why the World Reads Wikipedia is accepted in WSDM '19
[1]. If you are planning to attend the conference, stop by to hear
Florian Lemmerich presenting the work. You can read the paper at
https://arxiv.org/abs/1812.00474 . If you have time to only read one
subsection of the paper, we would recommend section 4.4. Summary of
Results. From there, you can start reading the other parts of the
paper depending on your interest about introduction, methodology and
data, etc. If you prefer to watch a presentation about the paper, you
can check out the December 2018 Research showcase [2].
* Remember that our offer to provide presentations and discuss the
result with your language community, if your language is part of the
14 languages in the study [3], is still on the table. :) If you want
to talk with us about this topic, sign up at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Read…
. No pressure from us: only if having a conversation about readers
help your language community in what you do.
* We have put extensive effort to document the code [4] and data [5]
for this research such that each language community can dive in their
data as they see fit.
* What's next?
The previous results made one point clear to us: geography and
language matter and depending on from where in the world the reader is
accessing a specific Wikipedia language, they may have different needs
and motivations [6]. We hypothesize that age, gender, education,
native language, as well as geographic region the reader is from can
help us understand and characterize the needs and motivations of
Wikipedia readers better. As some of you may already be guessing:
there are some big questions ahead of us. For example, are there
disparities in access to content depending on the readers' age or
gender? Does the trajectory of readers differ depending on their
demographics? We'd like to start addressing questions along these
lines and better understand the needs and motivations of
sub-populations within a country or language community.
To do the above, we will rerun the study and this time we will include
some demographics questions as part of the study.
* How can your language community participate in the upcoming study of
reader demographics?
As always, research on this front is not possible without a very close
collaboration between the language communities who will participate in
this study and the researchers. If you want your language to be
included in this round of the study, please sign up at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Read…
on or before 2019-02-15 .
Please note that the priority will be given to the 14 languages that
participated in the previous round and that we will do our best to
include new languages. Also note that we may not be able to run the
study in all the languages that sign up: the traffic to the language
edition, the diversity that the inclusion of the language can bring to
the language pool, our capacity to run the analysis in the language,
the availability of the point of contact from the language for
translations will all play a role in the final list of languages that
we can include in the study. This being said, please don't shy away
from listing your language there if you're interested. :)
Best,
Leila, on behalf of the researchers (Isaac Johnson, Florian Lemmerich,
Diego Saez, Markus Strohmaier, Bob West, and myself)
[1] http://www.wsdm-conference.org/2019/
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Showcase#December_2018
[3] ar, bn, de, en, es, he, hi, hu, ja, nl, ro, ru, uk, zh
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Be…
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Be…
[6] The needs and motivations themselves don't change, but the
distribution over possible options can change, as well as the reader
characteristics that can describe them.
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Be…
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 5:43 PM Leila Zia <leila(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Update time.
>
> Thank you all for your patience and support as we went through the
> different stages of the analysis for this study. We have now concluded
> the study based on the survey of the 14 Wikipedia languages [1]. Here
> is what will happen next:
>
> * We are doing some relatively major documentation at
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Be…
> . The goal is to have that page and the sub-pages in a way that can be
> consumed more easily by audiences beyond researchers. I expect the
> pages to come to life almost completely on or before 2018-09-14. We
> will need the first couple of weeks of October for data and code
> documentation to make sure you have all the data you need for your
> languages to dig deeper if you choose to. By the end of October,
> please expect all documentation to be completed.
>
> * We are happy to try to give presentations about this research to
> your language community if there is interest on your end and we can
> make it work on our end. The priority will be given to languages that
> already participated in the study. If you want to sign up for one,
> please go to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Be…
>
> * Our November Research Showcase [2] will most likely be on this
> topic, so if you want to have a general overview of the results, keep
> an eye on that.
>
> * We have submitted a research paper to a peer-reviewed conference
> based on this work. There is an anonymization process for the reviews
> and in order to not break that we will wait until the results are out
> (towards the end of October) and only then put the full paper on
> arxiv, under CC BY-SA 4.0 or a more permissive license.
>
> * We are discussing with our collaborators to potentially set up a
> challenge for researchers to work with a subset of the data
> (anonymized/aggregated/...) to answer an interesting research
> questions. If you want to brainstorm with us about this, please drop a
> line at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Read…
>
> * Do you have an idea about how to more effectively disseminate this
> knowledge? please call it out. There is quite a bit of knowledge to
> share and we're honestly not 100% sure what the best way to do it is
> across a global movement. As a result, we're offering a mix of
> documentation, pinging points of contacts in each language so they're
> aware of them, general presentations, language specific presentations,
> as well as data documentation for you to be able to dig on your own
> deeper.
>
> Best,
> Leila, on behalf of the researchers (Florian Lemmerich, Diego Saez,
> Bob West, and myself)
>
> [1] ar, bn, de, en, es, he, hi, hu, ja, nl, ro, ru, uk, zh
> [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Showcase
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