Wikipedia-l June 2018

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comment on wikipedia
by Optim 15 Aug '24

15 Aug '24

I was describing to someone how Wikipedia works: "anyone can edit" etc. He answered with this argument: "Wikipedia is the triumph of the average person! of the man in the street!)" (average meaning: not good, not bad, just OK) I asked "why?" His explanation: "Great brilliant works are built by individuals. Groups of people can only create average works. If someone writes something good in the wiki, other average persons will intervene with his/her work and turn it into an average work. If someone writes something bad in the wiki, the others will again turn it into something of average value. with your system (meaning: Wikipedia's system) you can be sure that you will never create something too bad but also never something too good. You can create only average articles." The idea behind his argument was that Wikipedia will be a good resource as long as it attracts good cotnributors. but it will soon become an average site/encyclopaedia because it allows anyone to join the project and edit, and most people are just average persons and not brilliant writers. Do you think it's true? and how can we answer this argument? --Optim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] multi-headed VANDALS
by Daniel Mayer 18 Jan '23

18 Jan '23

On Sunday 28 July 2002 03:00 am, The Cunctator wrote: > What are the articles this person has been changing? For 66.108.155.126: 20:08 Jul 27, 2002 Computer 20:07 Jul 27, 2002 Exploit 20:07 Jul 27, 2002 AOL 20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Leet 20:03 Jul 27, 2002 Root 20:02 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 19:59 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 19:58 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Principle of least astonishment 19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker 19:52 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music 19:51 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music For 208.24.115.6: 20:20 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker For 141.157.232.26: 20:19 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker Most of these were complete replacements with discoherent statements. Such as "TAP IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFINITION OF THE NOUN HACKER" for Hacker. For the specifics follow http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist and look at the contribs. --mav

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Even more creepy and stupid than you used to be.
by Maury Markowitz 21 Jun '18

21 Jun '18

> On Jun 20, 2018, at 11:08 AM, John Jackson <strangetruther(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is what I was presented with. It is pretty clear in the message that this is a range block enacted because someone was vandalizing multiple wiki sites. It wasn't you. It doesn't even have to be someone near you. IP addresses are grouped by organization, generally, so it was simply someone else on the same internet provider (or university, business, etc.) > And I consider that I am now communicating with wikipedia, and I do want an explanation and an apology. Indeed, you should track down the original vandal that is responsible for this and demand an explanation and apology from them.

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Even more creepy and stupid than you used to be.
by John Jackson 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

Today I discovered that John Maynard Smith had had his name spelled wrongly (the old unnecessary hyphen) on a particular page. I thought I'd fix this. Because the last time I tried to do something on wikipedia was about 5 years ago and I didn't know where I'd saved my wikipedia login details, I tried to start a new account. But I was told that I had some kind of universal block APPLIED TO MY IP ADDRESS! BUT I HAVEN'T ACCESSED WIKIPEDIA FROM THIS IP ADDRESS BEFORE!! Also, the block was started last week and is supposed to continue until next week!!! Odd, if I haven't done anything on wikipedia for five years. I have had to complain about idiotic editing by those who have taken power without responsibility at wikipedia, and who have made sure that those of my views they disagreed with were unthinkingly blocked, but this new issue suggests I'm being hacked: Here are the possible explanations: 1: Suggesting I've done ANYTHING in the last few weeks is a complete mistake. 2: Some third party has commandeered my IP address and done something which led to the IP address being blocked. 3: Wikipedia have at some time in the last few years infiltrated my internet usage, and identified me even though I'm using a different computer and a different IP address from five years ago. THEN, they've set up some kind of sleeping block, to be triggered if and when I try to do anything on wikipedia, pretending I'd done something the week before whatever date I tried to log in. I think it's time wikipedia's practices were investigated formally. In the absence of a complete explanation and apology within the next seven days I shall be lodging a formal complain with my MP with a view to controlling the behaviour of wikipedia editors. And no, I'm not going to waste my time sorting through the Byzantine structures of the complaints procedures of your "Now we're free and open - Now we're a formal and structured" but always irresponsible organisation". JJ

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How is Wikidata CC0?
by The Cunctator 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

If it's pulling from Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA) what is the justification for converting the license to CC0?

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Request eligibility of language
by Jan Kabel 01 Jun '18

01 Jun '18

Hello fellow wikipedia users, I want to propose the creation of a wikipedia for the Uzbek language (uzb) variant which uses the Perso-Arabic writing system, called „Arab Yazuv“ („Arab writing system“). This variant is also known as Southern Uzbek (uzb) or Afghan Uzbek. Although there is an Uzbek wikipedia (uz.wikipedia.org), it does not include this type of writing system and therefore it cannot be understood by a large group of Uzbek speakers who use this writing system. This group of speakers consists of 3.4 million people in Afghanistan alone, where the Perso-Arabic writing system is the sole and only used writing system for the Uzbek language. There are also a sizable group of Uzbeks living in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and China who still use the Arab variant for writing their language. Historically the Perso-Arabic writing system was the only writing system used for the Uzbek language before beeing replaced in Uzbekistan by latin and cyrillic writing systems in the 20th century. The amount of literature for the Uzbek language written in the Perso-Arabic writing system is considerably high due to the developmemt of Uzbek from Chaghatai (chg), which is very closely resembled to the Perso-Arabic written Uzbek language of today. The amount of modern Uzbek literature in this writing system increased in recent years due to educational improvements in Northern Afghanistan. The interest in a Wikipedia for Uzbek Speakers using the Perso-Arabic writing system is also considerably high and will probably increase even more after its creation. The language is sufficiently unique because it shares more words with Persian and Arabic than the language variant used in Uzbekistan. It is even differentiated from the „uzb“ language code of Uzbekistan and uses its own „uzs“ language code. The language can not coexist on the general latin based Uzbek wikipedia which consists of the latin and cyrillic written variant of the language, because those two variants share a much stronger etymological and liguistic development and are often understood by both, cyrillic and latin writers of the Uzbek language, whereas the Perso-Arabic variant is almost exclusively understood by the Afghan Uzbeks. Most modern computer like Mac and Windows desktops include Afghan Uzbek Keyboards. I want to thank anybody who can help in this case. Abu Asem

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