I'm curious as to the size (in bytes) of the current Wikipedia.
That is, if one took a snapshot of the Wikipedia in web form (including
markup, images, multimedia, etc.), how large would it be? If the web
documents were compressed, then how large would it be? (This would not
include edit history information which I assume is substantial -- only
interested in a snapshot of the current pages.)
Referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_comparisons
I see the following statistics:
Total text (no markup): 3 gigabytes (rough estimate)
Photos/illustrations: 726,000
I don't have a good feel for the size of a typical photo/illustration.
Assuming the display version (in jpeg) is typically 10 kbytes, then
the size would be approximate 7 gigabytes.
I also don't have a feel for what the text would compressed to
(including some sort of markup), but with added markup plus
compression, the overall size would remain the same, or maybe a little
smaller.
So it looks like 10 gigabytes is a very rough estimate.
Am I anywhere close? Or am I forgetting something?
Thanks.
Jon Noring
Hello,
I don't understand why new wikis are nor been creating. The people will go
out of this because some of them are waiting for the year...
Arns Udovīčė
--
Ok^ ek^ besla ikv Olmok Vzauep^evk
:)
Notability means different things to different people. What I find
notable, someone else won't and vice versa.
What's important, it that the article is written well.
Wikipedia's strength is that it has more articles than any other
encyclopedia. It also has "Good article status" and "Featured article
status" to further indicate quality.
As long as someone finds a subject notable, I'm not going to disagree
with them, and as long as it conforms to WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, then
that should be fine with everyone.
Regards,
Ian Tresman
33 Reginald Street, Derby DE23 8FR
Tel: 01332 265566. email: it(a)knowledge.co.uk
Fax: 0870 167 1951. http://www.tresman.co.uk/ian/
>I tend to disagree. I have reliable sources giving the date of birth and
>death of my great-(x many) grandparents, as well as a few other facts of
>their lifes. Does that make them notable?
Sure, but no published source in which your grandparent is featured.
>I think the internet archive is a
>reliable source on the content of webpages. Does that mean every webpage on
>the internet archive is notable enough to get an article on Wikipedia? Every
>separate game of chess that has its notation published? Lab rat #2687?
I think there is a difference between mentioning something trivially,
and an article featuring something. There could be featured chess
games, which is different from a mere mention.
Regards,
Ian Tresman
To whom it may concen
This is the first time I have received this type of information through my e-,ail system.
It apears to be a web log without a title to let me know the subject.
I am afraid that I have too little time to spend on processing such information.
Please DO NOT SEND SUCH MAIL To MY E-MAil Address any more.
Thankyou
Firoozeh Derakhshani
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Mark Williamson wrote:
Well, what if I know the truth, but it is not written anywhere? What
if I interview 100 people to make sure they agree, and they do? What
if it is common knowledge in my village, which nobody will challenge?
The answer: it will be labeled "unverifiable" or "non-notable" and
deleted.
NOT NECESSARILY. If an article is based on oral sources, you could at
least make a note that "the information is based on interviews with 100
people, made in the village of X between dates y and z. Copies of
interviews are deposited at m." Then we'd know what is the factual basis,
and the article could be useful as such.
Pekka Gronow
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:40:27 +0800
From: "J.L.W.S. The Special One"
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A very interesting and comprehensive post.
You forgot to mention about the language barrier.
I agree that verifiability is important, but making it compulsory
introduces problems such as systemic bias.
Where should we raise this issue for further discussion?
I've been working on an article on a Singaporean movie - I Not Stupid.
It's close to GA status, but there is very little referenced
information on the production of the film. My friend suggested I
interview Jack Neo - my idol, who wrote the movie. Since his child
studies in my school, getting an interview is not out of the question.
The problem is: how do I publish it?
On 1/9/07, Mark Williamson wrote:
> This is true. However, is there a workable solution to that?
>
> I remember when people didn't worry too much about references on
> Wikipedia. Sure, you were supposed to have them, but as long as you
> had a nice article, nobody cared.
>
> Well, what if I know the truth, but it is not written anywhere? What
> if I interview 100 people to make sure they agree, and they do? What
> if it is common knowledge in my village, which nobody will challenge?
>
> The answer: it will be labeled "unverifiable" or "non-notable" and deleted.
>
> Wikipedia's current message to the world: If it's never been written
> about, or been mentioned in a sound recording or a film, it's not
> important.
>
> Well:
>
> 1) Not all cultures have writing.
> 2) Among those cultures which DO have writing, they each place
> different importance values on it. In my daily life, I am using it
> constantly. My desk is littered with books with their titles written
> on them, products with their labels. If I go driving, some of the
> signs will have writing on them, there are billboards, signs for
> businesses, all of them using writing. But in some cultures, writing
> may not be used so extensively. Maybe it is usually just used for
> poetry, or just for writing letters to people who are far away. The
> concept of mass communication is foreign to most cultures still, and
> if you don't need mass communication, writing is hardly necessary,
> except to write a letter to someone who is not present.
> 3) Among the population of the Earth, a very, very large portion live
> in societies that are not highly literate or which don't place a high
> importance on writing. Most societies don't record every aspect of
> life the way we do. Yes, there are newspapers in India (although to
> the best of my knowledge there are no newspapers in Igbo or Aymara or
> Afar), there are books in Nepal, but if you look it up, the sheer
> volume of materials published in the First World per-capita far, far,
> far, far exceeds that of anywhere else.
>
> Here, if someone sees an insect doing something strange, they write a
> paper or a book about it, and if they don't, somebody else will! But
> in most countries, this is not the case. Books cost money to make.
> People in developing countries often don't have this money. There are
> no or (comparatively) few publishers there, and those that do exist
> cannot afford to put out the sheer volume of books put out by
> publishers here because the demand tends to be much lower (especially
> for non-fiction books). They do not have Amazon.com or massive
> real-life bookstores, so "specialty" books would not sell because they
> would have no way to reach their intended audience!
>
> And they say, that the internet will change all this. Well, in these
> societies, although internet access is on the rise, it is still very,
> very, low. Even if you do have internet access, it takes a somewhat
> higher degree of computer literacy to be able to _publish_ on the
> internet. What? You want to put your knowledge on Wikipedia? Go ahead!
>
> ...
>
> Sorry, your knowledge is not referenced. It has been deleted. You know
> nothing that is worth anything.
>
> We are telling the developing world that they do not matter and that
> they are stupid.
>
> Mark
>
> On 09/01/07, J.L.W.S. The Special One wrote:
> > Requiring verifiability creates systemic bias. To be more accurate, it
> > enforces the systemic bias of existing references.
> >
> > On 1/9/07, Michael Billington wrote:
> > > On 1/9/07, Lars Aronsson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Andre Engels wrote:
> > > > > I guess I should not go into the examples, but in this case my opinion
> > > > is
> > > > > that 50,000 would be too high a limit, I myself would be thinking of
> > > > 2,000
> > > > > or 5,000.
> > > >
> > > > Absolutely. Perhaps for the U.S. and parts of Germany we are
> > > > approaching full coverage of all places with 5,000 people. But
> > > > for India I doubt if we have covered all cities with 50,000.
> > > > Nothing stops the limit from being set at 500 too. But a lower
> > > > limit could be questioned a lot more easily than a higher one.
> > > > Then again, some places with 50,000 people are less notable than
> > > > some very small places. But if you can point to the fact that a
> > > > place has 50,000 inhabitants (or was the birth places for a
> > > > president), then it is a lot easier to defend its notability.
> > > >
> > >
> > > On one side we have western places. For instance, Wikipedia has an article
> > > about my town, political division and local member of parliament. My town
> > > and surrounding ones (all of which have wiki articles) have a population of
> > > 1,500 or so. Rambot has written articles about towns 1/10th of the size of
> > > mine.
> > >
> > > However, whilst lists of Australian, German or US (and more) topics are
> > > mostly blue links, there are lists populated almost entirely by red links,
> > > such as [[List of Sudanese singers]]. Unfortunately, very few or no reliable
> > > sources will probably be found to warrant articles about these singers (at
> > > least not on the internet), and the only way to get coverage of a large
> > > portion of them would be through original research (which we can't do
> > > obviously), or to find print sources. So does anyone on this mailing list
> > > happen to have access to archives for a Sudanese newspaper? It would be nice
> > > if we could get more things like [[WP:AWNB]] for smaller countries, so we
> > > can find people more local* who may very well be able to walk to a library
> > > to find sources and add articles. That could work wonders for coverage :-)
> > >
> > > *And I may be a bit too ambitious in assuming we have editors from just
> > > about every country
> > >
> > > Michael Billington
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > J.L.W.S. The Special One
> >
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 05:51:22 -0700
From: "Mark Williamson"
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Entries for deletion.... issues from the
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Yes. If you interview Jack Neo, you should keep a copy of it somewhere
online or on your personal computer. You may reference it from the
article, but it is of the utmost importance that you can produce a
copy of the interview if anyone wants it.
Mark
On 09/01/07, J.L.W.S. The Special One wrote:
> A very interesting and comprehensive post.
>
> You forgot to mention about the language barrier.
>
> I agree that verifiability is important, but making it compulsory
> introduces problems such as systemic bias.
>
> Where should we raise this issue for further discussion?
>
> I've been working on an article on a Singaporean movie - I Not Stupid.
> It's close to GA status, but there is very little referenced
> information on the production of the film. My friend suggested I
> interview Jack Neo - my idol, who wrote the movie. Since his child
> studies in my school, getting an interview is not out of the question.
> The problem is: how do I publish it?
>
> On 1/9/07, Mark Williamson wrote:
> > This is true. However, is there a workable solution to that?
> >
> > I remember when people didn't worry too much about references on
> > Wikipedia. Sure, you were supposed to have them, but as long as you
> > had a nice article, nobody cared.
> >
> > Well, what if I know the truth, but it is not written anywhere? What
> > if I interview 100 people to make sure they agree, and they do? What
> > if it is common knowledge in my village, which nobody will challenge?
> >
> > The answer: it will be labeled "unverifiable" or "non-notable" and deleted.
> >
> > Wikipedia's current message to the world: If it's never been written
> > about, or been mentioned in a sound recording or a film, it's not
> > important.
> >
> > Well:
> >
> > 1) Not all cultures have writing.
> > 2) Among those cultures which DO have writing, they each place
> > different importance values on it. In my daily life, I am using it
> > constantly. My desk is littered with books with their titles written
> > on them, products with their labels. If I go driving, some of the
> > signs will have writing on them, there are billboards, signs for
> > businesses, all of them using writing. But in some cultures, writing
> > may not be used so extensively. Maybe it is usually just used for
> > poetry, or just for writing letters to people who are far away. The
> > concept of mass communication is foreign to most cultures still, and
> > if you don't need mass communication, writing is hardly necessary,
> > except to write a letter to someone who is not present.
> > 3) Among the population of the Earth, a very, very large portion live
> > in societies that are not highly literate or which don't place a high
> > importance on writing. Most societies don't record every aspect of
> > life the way we do. Yes, there are newspapers in India (although to
> > the best of my knowledge there are no newspapers in Igbo or Aymara or
> > Afar), there are books in Nepal, but if you look it up, the sheer
> > volume of materials published in the First World per-capita far, far,
> > far, far exceeds that of anywhere else.
> >
> > Here, if someone sees an insect doing something strange, they write a
> > paper or a book about it, and if they don't, somebody else will! But
> > in most countries, this is not the case. Books cost money to make.
> > People in developing countries often don't have this money. There are
> > no or (comparatively) few publishers there, and those that do exist
> > cannot afford to put out the sheer volume of books put out by
> > publishers here because the demand tends to be much lower (especially
> > for non-fiction books). They do not have Amazon.com or massive
> > real-life bookstores, so "specialty" books would not sell because they
> > would have no way to reach their intended audience!
> >
> > And they say, that the internet will change all this. Well, in these
> > societies, although internet access is on the rise, it is still very,
> > very, low. Even if you do have internet access, it takes a somewhat
> > higher degree of computer literacy to be able to _publish_ on the
> > internet. What? You want to put your knowledge on Wikipedia? Go ahead!
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Sorry, your knowledge is not referenced. It has been deleted. You know
> > nothing that is worth anything.
> >
> > We are telling the developing world that they do not matter and that
> > they are stupid.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On 09/01/07, J.L.W.S. The Special One wrote:
> > > Requiring verifiability creates systemic bias. To be more accurate, it
> > > enforces the systemic bias of existing references.
> > >
> > > On 1/9/07, Michael Billington wrote:
> > > > On 1/9/07, Lars Aronsson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Andre Engels wrote:
> > > > > > I guess I should not go into the examples, but in this case my opinion
> > > > > is
> > > > > > that 50,000 would be too high a limit, I myself would be thinking of
> > > > > 2,000
> > > > > > or 5,000.
> > > > >
> > > > > Absolutely. Perhaps for the U.S. and parts of Germany we are
> > > > > approaching full coverage of all places with 5,000 people. But
> > > > > for India I doubt if we have covered all cities with 50,000.
> > > > > Nothing stops the limit from being set at 500 too. But a lower
> > > > > limit could be questioned a lot more easily than a higher one.
> > > > > Then again, some places with 50,000 people are less notable than
> > > > > some very small places. But if you can point to the fact that a
> > > > > place has 50,000 inhabitants (or was the birth places for a
> > > > > president), then it is a lot easier to defend its notability.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > On one side we have western places. For instance, Wikipedia has an article
> > > > about my town, political division and local member of parliament. My town
> > > > and surrounding ones (all of which have wiki articles) have a population of
> > > > 1,500 or so. Rambot has written articles about towns 1/10th of the size of
> > > > mine.
> > > >
> > > > However, whilst lists of Australian, German or US (and more) topics are
> > > > mostly blue links, there are lists populated almost entirely by red links,
> > > > such as [[List of Sudanese singers]]. Unfortunately, very few or no reliable
> > > > sources will probably be found to warrant articles about these singers (at
> > > > least not on the internet), and the only way to get coverage of a large
> > > > portion of them would be through original research (which we can't do
> > > > obviously), or to find print sources. So does anyone on this mailing list
> > > > happen to have access to archives for a Sudanese newspaper? It would be nice
> > > > if we could get more things like [[WP:AWNB]] for smaller countries, so we
> > > > can find people more local* who may very well be able to walk to a library
> > > > to find sources and add articles. That could work wonders for coverage :-)
> > > >
> > > > *And I may be a bit too ambitious in assuming we have editors from just
> > > > about every country
> > > >
> > > > Michael Billington
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Wikipedia-l mailing list
> > > > Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Written with passion,
> > > J.L.W.S. The Special One
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:55:08 +0800
From: "J.L.W.S. The Special One"
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Entries for deletion.... issues from the
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Perhaps I could join Wikinews and add a copy of the interview there?
On 1/9/07, Mark Williamson wrote:
> Yes. If you interview Jack Neo, you should keep a copy of it somewhere
> online or on your personal computer. You may reference it from the
> article, but it is of the utmost importance that you can produce a
> copy of the interview if anyone wants it.
>
> Mark
>
> On 09/01/07, J.L.W.S. The Special One wrote:
> > A very interesting and comprehensive post.
> >
> > You forgot to mention about the language barrier.
> >
> > I agree that verifiability is important, but making it compulsory
> > introduces problems such as systemic bias.
> >
> > Where should we raise this issue for further discussion?
> >
> > I've been working on an article on a Singaporean movie - I Not Stupid.
> > It's close to GA status, but there is very little referenced
> > information on the production of the film. My friend suggested I
> > interview Jack Neo - my idol, who wrote the movie. Since his child
> > studies in my school, getting an interview is not out of the question.
> > The problem is: how do I publish it?
> >
> > On 1/9/07, Mark Williamson wrote:
> > > This is true. However, is there a workable solution to that?
> > >
> > > I remember when people didn't worry too much about references on
> > > Wikipedia. Sure, you were supposed to have them, but as long as you
> > > had a nice article, nobody cared.
> > >
> > > Well, what if I know the truth, but it is not written anywhere? What
> > > if I interview 100 people to make sure they agree, and they do? What
> > > if it is common knowledge in my village, which nobody will challenge?
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I would like to know your opinion about the creation of a Low Saxon
nds.wikisource.org.
We already have a nds.wikipedia.org (two, to be more precise:
nds.wikipedia.org and nds-nl.wikipedia.org), and a wiktionary at
nds.wiktionary.org
We then asked for the creation of nds.wikisource.org at
http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests#Domain_reque…
Several people from the nds.wikipedia.org voted in favour of this project. I
then went to http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7855 to formally
request the creation on November 9th, 2006. Then for some time nothing
happened. In December several people from the German wikisource objected. It
was only after that that somebody in bugzilla.wikimedia.org decided to care
about our request. He concluded that there was no consensus and decided not
to create this wikisource.
Some people from de.wikisource.org say that Low Saxon is only a dialect of
German and that all our texts are welcome in their wikisource. They also want
us to be included in their project due to a lack of resources.
This now is a peculiar situation:
* Low Saxon is recognized as regional language: see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German
"Low German has been recognised by the Netherlands and by Germany (since 1999)
as a regional language according to the European Charter for Regional or
Minority Languages. Within the official terminology defined in the charter,
this status would not be available to a dialect of an official language (as
per article 1 (a)), and hence not to Low German in Germany if it were
considered a dialect of German. With the ratification of the charter at the
latest, Germany would appear, therefore, to have at least implicitly adopted
the stance that Low German is not a dialect of the German language."
* we have a wikipedia
* we have a wikitionary
* we have a wikibooks
* we even have a wikiquote (which we will not use due to German copyright
problems with collections of quotations)
* but we do not have a wikisource because some people from de.wiktionary.org
managed to collect a huge number of no-votes.
I think that there should be a Low Saxon wikisource, but due to about 8 no
votes of people who just want all our content to be included into their
wikisource just to make theirs bigger and more beautiful, we cannot get one.
What do You think about that?
Kind regards,
Heiko Evermann
Brion vibber wrote:
> Individual paragraphs, table cells, etc would be an even nicer
> fine-grained level to do inline editing on, but this requires having a
> reliable way to associate parts of rendered output with the parts of
> source code which created them.
I'm aware of these difficulties. There are a number of ways I can see this
being tackled. Firstly, only pure wikitext can be edited inline. That is, if
you try to edit some text which is the result of 2 #switch's inside 6 nested
templates being transcluded through 2 articles, then there's just no option
to edit inline. Either that, or attempting to edit that part inline sends
you to an appropriate edit page - either for the article, the template, the
nested template, etc - more difficult.
But focussing on the easy stuff: inline editing on a page with nothing but
nice, pure, transclusion-less wikitext, I don't see this as being so hard.
Obviously the renderer renders the code for inline editing into the output,
so there wouldn't be a correspondence issue.
For instance: for every paragraph, or the contents of every table cell, the
renderer can output some funky code that allows inline editing on that part.
This funky code is ultimately a function with inputs for two numbers that
define a range of characters in the wikitext that will be replaced by the
result of the inline editing. The renderer obviously renders these numbers
into the output as constants when it parses the wikitext.
I don't know if this will affect MARC, but I don't see anything in the MARC
archive since Jan 6 when the switch happened. All WP lists have shifted to
this new system:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=wikien-l&r=1&b=200701&w=2
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- d.
On 08/01/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:
> So my brain was broken when I said "Wednesday" because what I meant was
> "the last night of my stay in London" which is Tuesday. I am speaking
> at the London School of Economics Tuesday evening, so a pub near there
> would be grand.
>
> I botched this, I am sorry.
>
>
> #David Gerard wrote:
> > No-one else has picked a pub, so let's pick the one we tried for last
> > time, which was, ahh, shut. But should be open now. Jimbo will be in
> > town for this one.
> >
> > Montagu Pyke
> > 105–107 Charing Cross Rd
> > London WC2H 0BP
> > http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/pubfinder/details.php?OutletNumber=644
> >
> > It's a Wetherspoon, so they'll have a drinkable real ale and some
> > mediocre food.
> >
> > Tubes: Leicester Square, Covent Garden, Tottenham Court Road,
> > Piccadilly Circus, Charing Cross.
> >
> > It's right in the centre of London, everything is near everything.
> > I'll be getting there sevenish after work. If others will be earlier,
> > please say so.
> >
> > I'll just note this on the wiki as well ...
> >
> >
> > - d.
> >
> MO
>
No-one else has picked a pub, so let's pick the one we tried for last
time, which was, ahh, shut. But should be open now. Jimbo will be in
town for this one.
Montagu Pyke
105–107 Charing Cross Rd
London WC2H 0BP
http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/pubfinder/details.php?OutletNumber=644
It's a Wetherspoon, so they'll have a drinkable real ale and some mediocre food.
Tubes: Leicester Square, Covent Garden, Tottenham Court Road,
Piccadilly Circus, Charing Cross.
It's right in the centre of London, everything is near everything.
I'll be getting there sevenish after work. If others will be earlier,
please say so.
I'll just note this on the wiki as well ...
- d.