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Webcast with Tim O'Reilly about Reading 2.0
by Lars Aronsson 10 Mar '06

10 Mar '06

There's a two-day symposium on mass digitization of literature going on right now at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. Publisher Tim O'Reilly is giving a keynote speech called "Reading 2.0" at this very moment. It's a live webcast. Two minutes into his speech, he has already shown Wikipedia as the future of the encyclopedia. Adam Smith from Google will speak at 5 pm EST. Schedule, http://lib.umich.edu/mdp/symposium/schedule.html Webcast, http://lib.umich.edu/mdp/symposium/webcast.html -- Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se

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Mass content adding: France
by Milos Rancic 10 Mar '06

10 Mar '06

Chronology was: User:Tsca added French municipalities into Polish Wikipedia -> there is one guy on Serbian Wikipedia who is half Polish half Serbian and he said to us about that -> I started with inserting French municipalities -> BUT, we need transcription, so it is stopped on Serbian Wikipedia until we find a way for transcription -> BUT, we made some infrastructure for that and it can be useful for the project Mass content adding. So, I am calling Wikipedians from France to help on the French municipalities issue. Please, look at the two articles: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_content_adding/Geographic_data/Places_a… on Meta and http://crash.vikimedija.org/index.php/%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%83%… on Serbian testing wiki (in Serbian). And try to find a way to participate in the project :)

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14
by Giuseppe DAngelo 10 Mar '06

10 Mar '06

Dag Gerard - je hebt gelijk. I support Mark's positive advice to the promoters of the Tetum wiki, what he said seemed straightforward enough to me. Once again, I repeat, we are talking about our newest independent nation, so it is only natural that they will eventually require (and most certainly get) a wiki in their official language, but they may need a bit of help and encouragement along the way. pippu d'a Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:37:31 +0100 From: GerardM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Request for Tetum language - reminder To: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org Message-ID: <41a006820603091537v15467cb1l1bdfbf43c6d094ab(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hoi, For your information, formally Mark does not have authority. There are few people who are seen to be authorortive. He is however one of the people who knows a lot about what languages are. In this case the === message truncated === --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi, antispam, antivirus, POP3

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Moldovan/Romanian
by Anthere 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

Brion, Can you please block (stop/freeze) the moldovan wikipedia and moldovan wiktionary, after a link to the romanian version is simply put on the moldovan main pages ? Do not do a redirect from one to the other (so that the current content at mo stays visible to anyone). Do not delete the mo databases (<small>semi-private joke</small>) Thanks Ant PS : if *anyone* feels like the moldovan project should be reopened later on, for whatever reason, fine. But let's close it now. REPS : can all current contributors to this topic on this mailing list *freeze* and avoid sending any mails on the issue for ... say ... 24 hours ? Please ?

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The necessary steps to delete the Moldovan Wikipedia
by future civilization 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

These are the necessary steps to delete the Moldovan Wikipedia: 1. "VALIDATION" and "ACCEPTING" by the Stewards, Bureaucrats of the votes made by the contributors on Moldovan Wikipedia. (Voting was done legally on the following link: http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Alegeri) (A CheckUser can be done in order to validate the votes of every contributor). 2. "Deletion of the Moldovan Wikipedia" as it was the only accepted solution proposed by the users. According to the result of the referendum it was decided that this wikipedia must be deleted. It has to be respected the will and the result of this referendum. There is nothing more to say here. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

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BBC Radio Wales 'Mousemat' interview done
by David Gerard 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

This morning I went into BBC Television Centre and did a remote radio interview for BBC Radio Wales 'Mousemat', which is to be run in this Sunday's programme - 5pm Sunday, repeated 6pm Wednesday. If you're not in Wales, you can pick it up on Sky TV channel 0117, or on the website for a week after broadcast: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/radiowales/shows/mousemat.shtml I covered how Wikipedia works, how we keep it from turning to rubbish, how good it is ("it's not perfect, and we're painfully aware of its problems, but it's *pretty good*"), the millionth article (how you can get so much good detail out of an unremarkable suburban railway station) and I did a *big* push for Welsh speakers to get in on the ground floor of cy.wikipedia - en. has 1,000,000 articles, but cy. has 4,000 and there's endless room to work on a really *good* Welsh encyclopedia. The Welsh language is undergoing bit of a revival - everyone there speaks English, but learn Welsh first, it's popular with its ethnicity, it's something people feel they *should* know if they're Welsh and of course kids learn it so their parents won't understand them, and the parents learn to keep up with them ;-) They recorded about 15 minutes, of which they'll probably use 5 or 6. And I'm apparently to receive a small payment for my trouble. :-O Just as well since I'm presently not on a contract. (Gi's a job!) - d.

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Voting for the closing down of Moldovan Wikipedia
by Bogdan Giusca 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

The Moldovan Wikipedia community has decided to close down the Wikipedia. A bit of background on this: Moldovan was the name given to the standard Romanian language written with Cyrillic alphabet in the Soviet Union. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the independent Republic of Moldova kept this name for the language, although it asserted to be the same language with Romanian and began to be written once again with Latin script. More on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language As such, the "Moldovan language" got its own ISO code and a Wikipedia was created for it, although practically it's the same language as Romanian. This Wikipedia remained empty with a redirect to Romanian Wikipedia on the main page, until User:Node_ue was made admin and began writing articles in Cyrillic alphabet. About 95% of these articles were simply transliterations of articles from Romanian Wikipedia, a part of the transliterations being done manually by User:Russ, who can't speak Moldovan/Romanian and the resulting articles were rather wrong. A few articles were actually written by User:Node_ue, but they were mostly stubs and rather badly written (with several grammatical mistakes per sentence). The translation of the interface used a large number of obscure "pure Moldovan and not found in Romanian" words, which however, were not known to actual Moldovans. (examples include "bircieste" = "search" and "halaturi" = "tools") The Voting ----------- During the period of 12 January - 12 February, a local voting has been organized to determine whether the community sees the need for the existence of a Moldovan Wikipedia. The vote was opened to confirmed (>25 edits) Moldovan and Romanian editors. While many of the side discussions were held in English and Russian (in addition to Moldovan/Romanian), the vote was restrained to determine the will of actual and potential editors. Some votes were rejected on this basis. Romanian editors were accepted to vote for two reasons: * 95% of the content was simply copied here and transliterated (no translation is necessary) from the Romanian wikipedia. In the oppinion of the moldovan organizers of the referendum, this gives Romanians a right to express their vote. * Romanian and Moldovan are the same language for all day-to-day purposes (cf. [[:en:Moldovan language]]), which makes them potential editors. Two votes were rejected because they were from people who did not speak Romanian/Moldovan and didn't had enough contributions to either wikipedia. There are several strong reasons that compelled us to request the deletion of the Moldovan language Wikipedia. Among them technical, originality, and ethical arguments that we briefly expose here. History ------- It was created by Node_ue, who was the first admin. Its deletion has already been discussed. Consensus not reached, for the intentions of Node_ue, and the reaction of Moldovan editors was not clear at the time. At that time, it was already clear that a Latin-script Moldovan wikipedia has no reason to exist (so that even Node_ue agreed to point the latin version to the Romanian wikipedia). It appeared that his only concern is to maintain the cyrillic version of the moldovan wikipedia, which uses the Sovied-imposed script. Following several abusive administration incidents, the adminship has been removed from Node_ue. ==Deletion referendum== Was held between between 12 January and 12 February and it was opened to confirmed (>25 edits) Moldovan and Romanian editors. Romanian editors were accepted here for two reasons: - 95% of the content was simply copied here and transliterated (no translation is necessary). In the oppinion of the moldovan organizers of the referendum, this gives Romanians a right to express their vote. - Romanian and Moldovan are arguably the same language for all day-to-day purposes. The result of the referendum is the following: * No Moldovan editor supports the existence of this wikipedia. * No Romanian editor supports the existence of this wikipedia. * Only two editors have abstained, showing that the overwhelming majority of the users find the existence of the moldovan wikipedia offensive. By Moldovan editor we understand here an editor that is able to contribute originally in the language. Conclusion ------------ In conclusion, we, the Moldovan and Romanian wikipedia editors, believe that the current moldovan wikipedia has no reason to exist for: - it has no editor fluent in Moldovan - it brings no information - it is considered offensive by many Moldovans and Romanians. Voting results -------------- The following people voted for the closing of the Wikipedia: Moldova ---------- #[[User:Pavel|Pavel]] #[[User:Furculita|Furculita]] #[[User:AndersoN|AndersoN]] #[[User:Landroni|Landroni]] #[[User:Argos|Argos]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:TSO1D|TSO1D]] Romania --------- #[[:ro:Utilizator:Out_slide|Out_slide]] #[[User:Bogdan|Bogdan]] #[[User:Romihaitza|Romihaitza]] #[[User:AdiJapan|AdiJapan]] #[[User:Dpotop]]/[[:ro:Utilizator:Dpotop]] #[[User:Ditae|Ditae]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Vlad|Vlad]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Orioane]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Leinarius]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Wars]] #[[Utilizator:Dacodava|Dacodava]] #[[User:Vasile|Vasile]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:MobyDick]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Arado]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Waelsch]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:olario]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Bunu vio]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:SCriBu]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Emily]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:R.S.]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Constantzeanu]] #[[User:Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti?|Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti?]] #[[User:Cosco|Cosco]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:AnaZ|AnaZ]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Dumiac|Dumiac]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Evosphere]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Laurap]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:KlaudiuMihaila]] #[[:ro:Utilizator:Strainu]] With these results, a clear consensus has been reached in the group of those who speak Romanian/Moldovan language. http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Alegeri

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Voting for the closing down of Moldovan Wikipedia
by Jacky PB 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

It seems that I need to justify my participation in this discussion. I have two arguments for it: 1. Fluency in Moldovan. By any linguistic standards I speak the Moldovan dialect of Romanian (with the accent). And I do it correctly. This fact alone should allow me to participate in the vote and discussions. I can even read and write using cyrillic script. Correctly. :) 2. I have relatives in the Republic of Moldova, and I know what they have no linguistic identity problems. Just take a look in the list of Moldovan editors: regardless of official politics (aimed at preserving good relations with Russia), not one is for a moldovan wikipedia. 3. My participation into this discussion was subject to one strong rule: I have never entered in conflict with a Moldovan editor, for I believe they have the moral authority to do what they want with mo.wiki. What I have done was in line with their requirements. Yours, [[:en:Dpotop]] --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

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Moldovan/Romanian
by Bogdan Giusca 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

Sorry for not replying to Mark's emails, but I think that discussing politics and whether Romanian or French has a grammar closer to Latin is off-topic on this list. :-) Node, please do not accuse people for sockpuppetry without any evidence: when Pavel was on #wikipedia, he had an IP address of a .md ISP and since Freenode does not allow proxies, he really must be in Moldova. Also, we should not confuse this Romanian/Moldovan situation with other situations where it's the debate whether a dialect/close language should have a Wikipedia, like Scots/English or Serbian/Croat. Nowadays, the dispute that "Moldovan" is different from "Romanian" is absurd: even Voronin, the Moldovan president said that they're the same language and just the name is different.

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by future civilization 07 Mar '06

07 Mar '06

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