Sweet!
Any ETA on when the Daily Usage stats will be updated?
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Polnisch: http://www2.dw-world.de/polish/kultur/1.128985.1.html
Kroatisch: http://www2.dw-world.de/croatian/kultur/1.128383.1.html
das original war mal:
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1510851,00.html , die
Übersetzungen scheinen etwas freier zu sein..
Mathias
"Schindler podejrzewa zgoła, że wśród autorów niemieckiej wersji
“Wikipedii” anonimowo znajduje się kilku encyklopedystów z renomowanego
wydawnictwa Brockhaus. Porównanie to stanowi dla Wikipedii wyróżnienie:
obie, największe wersje internetowej encyklopedii, anglo i
niemieckojęzyczna, zawierają niemal tyle samo haseł, co Encyclopedia
Britannica i Brokhaus."
und
"Mathias Schindler pretpostavlja da na njemackom izdanju tajno radi i
nekoliko autora izdavaca leksikona Brockhaus. U svakom slucaju Wikipedia
je vrijedna usporedbe s vezanim leksikonima u formi knjige: obje
najopseznije Wikipedia verzije, engleska i njemacka imaju pojedinacno
gotovo isto podataka kao i njihova dva velika brata iz svijeta knjiga:
enciklopedija Britannica i Brockhaus."
wüsste zu gerne, was ich gesagt habe....
Hi,
situation today: a Wikipedian at a meetup shows me a collection of at
least 100 beautiful high-resolution photos from Ecuador. Unfortunately,
only a couple of them are on the German Wikipedia, and none are on the
Commons. He's perfectly willing to make them GFDL, though. I offered to
do the uploading for him, but it occurred to me that a more general
solution might be in order.
Hence, I've just launched an experimental file upload service for the
Wikimedia Commons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_upload_service
(please translate!)
The idea is that people who are not comfortable using the Commons
directly (such as non-Wikimedians), or who want to upload a large number
of files, can contact a registered helper who will batch-upload them.
I can obviously only handle a limited number of such requests, so I
encourage anyone familiar with handling an upload bot to add themselves
to the list of helpers. If you can't handle large email attachments, let
me know, and I can give you an account on my FTP space.
Note that this is really a workaround for the Commons not being as
user-friendly as it should be (no single login, no easy upload form, no
batch upload support, categorization requires wiki knowledge).
Eventually, I'd like this to become obsolete.
I'm posting this announcement to foundation-l, wikipedia-l, wikinews-l,
and commons-l, since all these projects are affected. Please
forward/translate the message for other affected projects.
All best,
Erik
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:26:24 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Soufron
> <jbsoufron(a)free.fr> wrote:
>> That's not what they said. They don't link the exclusion of copyright
>> infringement to the fact that you must use the item with the original
>> work. That's just a description of the way it works and it has nothing
>> to do with obiter dictum in this case.
>
> No, it's another argument in the case as to why the game genie isn't
> create a derrivitive work. If you take the part Anthony quoted out of
> context you'd think that you actually had to have some of the
> copyrighted text in order to be violating.. But this is clearly not
> the case because there have been cases where not a single word of the
> orignal work was taken (see the superman/wonderman case, or the
> fanfic case)... Sure, *ideas* were taken, but you keep arguing that
> copyright is still bound to a specific embodyment of an idea, and that
> is clearly not the case anymore.
These cases are "dramatization" works, arent' they ?
A fanfic is an adaptation.
An article is not an adaptation but a combination of different works.
>
>>> "A "derivative work" is a work based upon one or more preexisting
>>> works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization,
>>> fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art
>>> reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a
>>> work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of
>>> editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other
>>> modifications
>>> which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a
>>> "derivative work". ( 17 U.S.C. §101)
>>>
> [snip]
>> Being inspired is authorized !
>
> Sure is... however, making a new work via "revisions, annotations,
> elaborations, or other modifications" produces a derivative work.
But these revisions, annotations, elaborations or others are original
piece of works. You still have one derivative work and 2 original works
(minimum) : "which, as a whole, represent an original work of
authorship"
>
>> What is not is to base your work upon a preexisting one. The second
>> part of 17 U.S.C simply means that the article A+B+C is a derivative
>> work and that A, B and C are original works as a whole.
>
> We'll assume that X is the copyrighted work, and through revision, etc
> you create original Y. Work Y is a derrivitive work. Y containing X
> any more appears to be immaterial since Y was made by modifying X. I
> don't see how seperating Y into A+B+C makes A,B,C any less infringing
> so long as they can be shown to have been created via "revisions,
> annotations, elaborations, or other modifications"
Because they are not derivative works. The combination of them is a
derivative work but each of them is an original work.
>
>> It's not. Every addition is an original work and the article is a
>> derivative work.
>>
>>>
>>> There is a huge amount of case law that would appear to support the
>>> bulk of wikipedia's activities at face value, for example the classic
>>> "Rosemont Enterprises, Inc. v. Random House, Inc." but which
>>> completely fail to cover the case where the proof derivative work
>>> status is so easy made by the existence of the revision history.
>>
>> There is not need to proof anything. It's case law : I can find cases
>> in any contradictory sense you want. There is even a french girl who
>> completely plagiarized "Gone With The Wind" but was ruled free of
>> charges... ("la bicyclette bleue" for my fellow french companions)
>
> I'm specifically concerned with US caselaw as we're at the forfront of
> eroding rights on these matters. I said in my first post that it's
> likely the the law in other countries is more sane. Even in the "la
> bicyclette bleue" case the final decision was an appeal, the orignal
> decision was that it infringed.
Of course since it was a complete plagiat...
> The appealat court made decided that
> in abscence of the evidence of it being directly derrived from the
> other work the differences were substantial enough to judge it as an
> entirely different work.
Sure but nobody were able to understand the criterias of substantial
difference. The reality is that this case is misdjudged. It's an error.
Scríobh Bryan Derksen:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jews
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Writers
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1945_deaths
> The only one missing is "females" :)
Well, consider me schooled ;-)
But to show how this is inadequate, can you produce me a list of... say...
Polish-born Jewish authors who died in the United Kingdom in 1897? That's
what I feel this tool would be really useful for, and the existing
categories system is pretty much inadequate for that (I suppose if you
looked at all of the relevant categories and returned a list of links that
appeared in EVERY one that'd work, but there's currently no tool for this,
and I imagine that it'd be fairly expensive in terms of CPU cycles.
I suppose that adding a tool that would do what I proposed above would be an
acceptable compromise, but I figure if we're going to do such a thing, then
we may as well do it properly ;-)
Scríobh Gregory Maxwell:
> Thats why it's a wiki... "ordinary" user writes the page.. Omits the
> metadata, because they don't understand it, aren't aware of it, or
> just don't care.
>
> Someone else notices the missing metadata and adds it, ... and since
> they apparently care about metadata they probably known enough to do
> it right, even if the system turns out to be fairly complicated.
>
> The metadata for an article will likely change very slowly, if at all,
> so keeping the metadata accurate should be a non-issue.
Oh, I didn't mean it in the sense of "we should invent our own metadata
tagging scheme". Such a thing would be overkill. I think the best solution
would be to have a relatively simple tagging scheme like this:
[{Died: 1945}]
[{Nationality: Dutch}]
[{Religion: Jew}]
[{Profession: Author}]
...and then automagically convert that into RDF, or some other mutually
agreed-upon metadata scheme. That way casual writers don't have to worry
about the intricate details of such a system, and anyone who wants to get at
the actual real RDF can, presumably through a direct database call of some
description. Of course, I know very little about RDF or how it works, so I
don't know how much of a problem automated translation like this would be.
Your post also brings up another interesting point - the metadata will have
to be almost or totally complete to be useful. There's little point in
doing searches on "Author" if only 20% of the authors in the database are
tagged as such. How we can quickly go through a half-million articles
quickly and tag them is beyond me.
Regards,
- Craig Franklin
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PO Box 764
Ashgrove, Q, 4060
Australia
http://www.halo-17.net - Australia's Favourite Source of Indie Music, Art,
and Culture.
Good idea and quite a promising one, given the high number of speakers. On top of that, it's always fine when people who request new Wikipedias are willing and able to do some start-up work. Good luck !
Boris
wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org schrieb am 20.03.05 08:37:31:
>I'd like to request that a Scots language Wikipedia be set up. There are estimated to be around 1.6 million Scots speakers together with at >least another 2 million Scots who passively understand the language to some extent. This must make it one of the largest European languages >for which we do not have a Wiki. The 3 letter language code for Scots is sco so the URL should be http://sco.wikipedia.org/ since there is no >two letter code. I am a native speaker and am more than willing to start the necessary translation and configuration work once the initial site >has been created.
>Cheers
Derek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Derek_Ross
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Angela said...
>I suggest you add the request to
>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages but until
>there is a policy for whether or not these can be created, the
> requests are likely to just keep mounting up.
Yes, I've already done that. It's supposed to be part of the standard procedure for setting up a Wiki.
>A proposed policy is at
>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy_for_wikis_in_new_languages
Yes, I read that. I also read the current policy on the same page which states that any new wiki can be created upon request by a developer.
>Do you know if any other people are interested in contributing to this wiki?
:See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages for currently interested parties. And I would be surprised if there aren't more. I held off making this request until there were a reasonable number of registered Scottish contributors to the English Wikipedia, otherwise I would have made it in 2002. I expect several of them to sign up. We have had a small but steady response on the Gaelic Wikipedia with 55,000 speakers. I would expect more on the Scots with 1.5 million speakers.
Cheers
Derek
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I'd like to request that a Scots language Wikipedia be set up. There are estimated to be around 1.6 million Scots speakers together with at least another 2 million Scots who passively understand the language to some extent. This must make it one of the largest European languages for which we do not have a Wiki. The 3 letter language code for Scots is sco so the URL should be http://sco.wikipedia.org/ since there is no two letter code. I am a native speaker and am more than willing to start the necessary translation and configuration work once the initial site has been created.
Cheers
Derek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Derek_Ross
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In a message dated 3/19/2005 3:42:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
elian(a)djini.de writes:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Presentations
It may be a good idea to make a powerpoint presentation or short dvd
available to potential speakers
Danny
As many of you might know I have an Italian mailing list where I send in
a word a day together with related links - this not only to promote
wiktionary, but the wikimedia projects in general.
This includes links to wikipedia, commons, wikibooks (always if I find
ressources that are available or if someone tells me). Yesterday Saturn
for example was also linked to the pictures on commons.
Now to day we have Palm Sunday for many people in the world, in two
weeks this recurrence is for the orthodox church - and of course
whenever there are special days I try to send in the translation of just
this day.
So starting from the English wikipedia I added translations to the
article - searched for the French version with google etc. and added the
Italian and German Pronunciation.
The result is here:
http://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/Domenica_delle_Palme
What I would like to ask you now is to check, if the copied and pasted
names are really correct, add pronuciation-files to meta and link it
here (or just tell me how the file on meta is called - I can then link it).
If you have languages to add, please do so - at this moment there is
:*{{cs}}: [[Květná neděle]]
:*{{de}}: [[Palmsonntag]] {{m}}
[[Media:de-Palmsonntag.ogg|<small>''Ascolta la pronuncia''</small>]]
:*{{en}}: [[Palm Sunday]]
:*{{fi}}: [[palmusunnuntai]]
:*{{fr}}: [[dimanche des Palmes]]
:*{{nl}}: [[Palmzondag]], [[Palmpasen]], [[Passiezondag]]
:*{{no}}: [[Palmesøndag]]
:*{{pl}}: [[Niedziela palmowa]]
And who is worrying about the user interface: if you are logged in you
can set the language of the ui by clicking on "preferenze" in the line
where your user name is and set it to the desired language. If you don't
want to do this, just klick on "modifica" when you have the Italian user
face.
If someone is worrying that he/she doesn't know the language name in
Italian to insert the translation: no problem - just insert the language
code like shown above (e.g. {{de}} for German) - when you save your
changes the language name will show up.
I'll send another mail today referring to Persian New Year, so please be
patient :-) It's a special day and the word of the day list today will
receive two words of the day.
Thanks!
Ciao, Sabine
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