Wikipedia-l July 2004

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Minority/majority question
by Mister Bad 31 Jul '04

31 Jul '04

Yann Forget <yann(a)forget-me.net> said: > We had one such issue on fr: recently about [[Action directe (...)]]. > Some wanted to say "(terrorist group)", some "(left-extremist group)", and > some other "(armed group)" and the last "(revolutionary group)". > And any other combinations of the above. > The issue is not settled yet. What about the very neutral "(group)"? Is it pretty much consensus that they are a group? Is there another group named "Action directe" that needs to be disambiguated from? ~ESP

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Re: send in the academics
by Evan Prodromou 31 Jul '04

31 Jul '04

Abe <arafi(a)umich.edu> said: > How do you create a space where scholars can compete? Since the prizes in > academia are relevance and prestige, and since relevance/presitge are > measured by the number of people who are citing your work, Wikipedia could > allow users to cite scholarly works in articles, and track those > citations competitively. You're talking about Open Access journals. A good overview is here: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm This is a good directory of Open Access journals: http://www.doaj.org/ I'm not convinced that Wikimedia stepping into this space is good for either Wikimedia or academic journals. ~ESP

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Request for new language Wikipedia: Lojban
by Pierre Abbat 31 Jul '04

31 Jul '04

I would like to start a Wikipedia in Lojban. Attached is the language file, which hopefully has enough translated to start the site. Please look it over and let me know if any other strings need to be put into or translated in it. Language data: Name: Lojban Family: Loglanic (constructed logical languages) Speakers: at least 30, in various parts of the world, including at least 6 Wikipedians Code: jbo Two articles on the Lojban Wiki are ready to be copied to the Lojban Wikipedia: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=gombesa http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=gambire These are [[coelacanth]] and [[Uncaria]] respectively; the first article in Lojban needs stuff translated from English, and the second in English needs a taxobox. Capitalization should be turned off in the Lojban Wikipedia, since first letters of words are not normally capitalized in Lojban, as it is in the Klingon Wikipedia, since 'q' and 'Q' are different letters, and in the Toki Pona Wikipedia. phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

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fundraising page - shouldn't we note what we are aiming for?
by Marco Krohn 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

Hi, I am currently reading the interview with Jimmy (http://interviews.slashdot.org/interviews/04/07/28/1351230.shtml?tid=146&ti…) and his nice answers. In particular "One of the reasons I was excited to be asked by Roblimo to do this interview is that the slashdot community in particular has been so generous to us in the past." is nice and shortly after that follows the "donate money" and "what we use the money for" links. Following the first link I would like to suggest changing two things: * there still is a link to Brion Vibbers notebook fund at the very end of the page. Don't get me wrong, Brion deserves a lot more money than he probably gets through donations, but linking to a page which seems to be outdated doesn't look good to me. * the fundraising page doesn't contain information how much money we are aiming for. A potential donator would just see that we have ~20 K$ on our account and many probably will think "well, they probably have enough money". Sure, there is some information on the meta page ([[m:What_we_use_the_money_for]]), but the page takes ~10 sec to load, there is a lot of text and the information what we are aiming for is at the end of the text. IMHO it would make sense to add next to the current numbers that we are aiming for 50 K$ - 100 K$ money which we would like to spend on hardware this year. best regards, Marco

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re monobook.css copyright
by Ray Saintonge 28 Jul '04

28 Jul '04

I was cleaning up various things in Wiktionary when I ran into the link to http://en.wiktionary.org/style-new/monobook/main.css . Admittedly I know nothing about css files but the line near the top "Copyright Gabriel Wicke" grabbed my attention. There is no mention that it is being released under any free software licence. It seems to me that this is something that should be corrected. Ec

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A WikiJamSession Fantasy
by Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales 27 Jul '04

27 Jul '04

In Berlin, I was chatting with Tim Pritlove about the annual Choas Communication Congress which is held in Berlin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Congress This event attracts 2,500 and 3,500 participants (according to Wikipedia) and a central feature is the "hack center" which gives access to around 600 people for whatever. Not described in the Wikipedia article, but attested to by Tim Pritlove, it's a rocking good time. So, I had this idea for something we could do as a part of a drive towards 1.0. We could get permission from a library or libraries in some densely populated centers around the world to gain admission during a holiday or weekend that they would normally be closed. We'd set up a wireless broadband network and bring together as many people as possible to work together day and night in a fun atmosphere to fact check articles and process them for final publication in a CD-ROM, with an eye towards print as well of course. Since we'd be talking about en for this first round, logical cities for this would be New York and London, with L.A. and Chicago and Sydney also possible, if there are enough people interested to make that happen. We'd strive to have as many people as possible in one location, and to attract maximum media attention to what we're doing. So the selection of a location would involve deliberations about keeping the cost low, both travel costs and hotel costs for participants travelling some distance. For example, although this is too soon, the New York Public Library will be closed September 4 through September 6, for "Labor Day Weekend". There are many other holidays like that one which would provide a similar opportunity. Imagine (go with me on this fantasy here) 1000 people working around the clock with timeouts just to sleep and eat, for 3 full days, to fact check, copyedit, and approve as many articles as possible. --Jimbo

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Screenshots wanted!
by Jakob Voss 27 Jul '04

27 Jul '04

Hi, For our proposal for the GALILIEO MASTERS competition (see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GALILEO_Masters_2004 ) wee need some convincing images. I doubt the jury is familiar with Wikipedia and the Wiki concept and a good images is always better than tons of text. Any Idea? I thought of a photo of a subnotebook or PDA showing a Wikimedia interface and geographical information. Surely you have to pretend a screenshot of a system we do not already have - it's a proposal. Maybe two or three images in one are better than a single screenshot. First somebody with a GPS device is looking for information. Then he gets a list of articles "You are near ... read the Wikipedia article" "You are within ..." and buttons like "increase radius", "limit to categories ..." and/or a small map of the world or a part of it. Then another screenshot shows how he can directly edit the article. This is needed for the "Wow! everybody can add information!"-feeling (the Wiki concept is only familiar to us)!. We need some cool images untill friday. The creator of the best image will win a lot of fame ;-) Greetings, Jakob

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main page
by Zeberko 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Hi, everyone. I have a suggestion, why don't we change the Wikipedia main page? Here is a project prepared by me. Of course I'm not an expert webmaster and that's why it looks as it does, but I'd like you to take a look at it from a graphic design point of view. Personally, I think it's OK and much better than the present main page. Of course it's in Polish now but I (or somebody else) can easily prepare an English version and others can make their own language versions. Greetings Agni www.serwis.tarnow.cc/wikip.htm

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template for translating interface?
by Pierre Abbat 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Some time ago I grabbed LanguagePt.php and translated part of it into Lojban. This was before templates and categories, so I need to update it. I'd like to start over with an English template, but LanguageEn.php just has an include statement, and Language.php says not to use it as a template. What should I use? phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

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Paper Wikipedia 1.0: a modest rant^W proposal
by David Gerard 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

I've been thinking about it and reading and researching about it and talking incessantly on IRC about it and writing on the lists about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_Gerard/1.0 This sets out a concise action plan for a paper Wikipedia 1.0, letting the wiki do the work. It sets out milestones and what is needed for them. The main prerequisite is a rating system, the consensus for which, over the past year, seems to have approached: rate article versions on four or five parameters, with either a yes/no, a scale of 0-4 or a scale of 0-10. The key points: * Let the wiki do the work. Harness dilettantism. * Every action must benefit the live web version. Please be merciless. (btw: should this be discussed on wikien-l or wikipedia-l? I've sent this to both places.) - d.

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