Wikipedia-l March 2004

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wikimage startup?
by engelsAG＠t-online.de 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

It has been discussed before, I think I want to go beyond discussion, and get this thing rolling. I would like to start setting up a database of public domain and copyleft images, using the Wikipedia technology. Goal: Provide a source for public domain and copyleft images, in the first place intended for Wikipedia, but of course also for use by any other projects (in particular copyleft projects), whether connected to Wikipedia or not. For this, I would like to get Wikimedia set up at some url like image.wikipedia.org for the time being; standard setup should be changed in that the image-namespace would be in the standard search options. Once this is done, it can be announced at Wikipedia etcetera, and I hope I will get some others who would like to help getting this to work. Andre Engels

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Tok Pisin domain
by David Lucas Graves 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

Back on Intlwiki-L, I remember seeing a message from Jean-Luc Azra (a.k.a. Milaiklainim) asking that a new domain be created for a Tok Pisin Wikipedia. Since then he has made excellent progress at a temporary location on the Bislama wiki (bi.wikipedia.org). Because all the sites to which I have contributed had already had space allotted to them when I arrived, I have no idea how much time and trouble are involved, but I think it would be great if Milaiklainim could continue his work in the proper place, translate the interface, etc., etc. Other users have recently proposed setting up domains for Berber and Ido, so perhaps the time is right to put in a request for Tok Pisin. It appears that tp.wikipedia.org has not yet been taken; might that be a good choice? Thanks to anyone who can help! Flauto Dolce _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave…

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language.php
by Andreas Hoerstemeier 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

Hi, there seems to be something wrong with the language.php in the english wikipedia - for bulgarian it shows two strange characters, seems to be a miscoded character. And probably also related with the language.php - in the Thai wikipedia both bulgarian and alsatian interwiki links show like internal links to other thai articles. Someone even already created [[als:Chimie]]. [[en:User:Ahoerstemeier]]

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Extension syntax discussion and vote
by erik_moeller＠gmx.de 30 Mar '04

30 Mar '04

All, please participate on: http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extension_Syntax We are trying to develop a standardized syntax for extensions such as the LaTeX extension for mathematical formulas, the upcoming hieroglyphs extension, the SVG extension etc. There will be a brainstorming phase until April 4, after which we will vote on these different proposals. This will hopefully allow us to finally start working on a generalized extension interface. Regards, Erik

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foundation-l
by Anthere 28 Mar '04

28 Mar '04

this mailing list would be one for wikimedia wide discussions. 5 days is naturally too short a deadline for any multilingual vote. 7 days is a minimum to find translators, have translation done, have the announcement adverstised, and let people time to vote. I suggest deadline is saturday 3rd of april. Any time shorter than a week is not an option. ant __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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Goings-on
by Anthere Anthere 28 Mar '04

28 Mar '04

I know not who had the idea of goings-on, but I think that is a *brillant* idea. Announcements are far too formal. Pumps are totally clogged. Goings-on is a great way to have information made quickly available. I made one quick goings-on fr a few days ago, in the hope it would relieve our pump. Our pump is so bad, that some people think we should double it with a board. That is a very bad suggestion. You do not make information flow by adding a parallel tube, you make if flow by redirecting the good information to the good people. So the solution is not two pumps, but better structure of the current information network. Today, I realise that the goings-on could be one of this great solution for easy communication between wikipedias. And especially for wikipedias to know what is going on in the wikimedia community (as all these votes on meta, by laws topic, changes in software). That is the ring we have been looking for for some time now ! :-) Each of these goings-on should have one version on each wikipedia, and one central one on meta. In small wikipedias, perhaps there should be a link to the meta one for a while (as long as the community is not big enough to assume updates). Each should have local community stuff, and wikipedia wide stuff. With the archives, that is the best way we can keep track of information, and make it flows in many directions. I would dare to suggest that on each pedia, the issues that are wikipedia-wide are visibly separated from issues wikipedia-local, so update from one ring to the other is much easier. It could be typically the job of an ambassador to update the local or the meta goings-on. http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goings-on What do you think ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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Foundation-l
by Tomos at Wikipedia 27 Mar '04

27 Mar '04

I personally think foundation-l is a good idea. Here is a list of topics that I can imagine for the foundation-l Bylaws Fiscal issues Election Wikimediafoundation.org web site Proposal for new projects such as wikinews or commons Issues related to Meta Wikimedia Regarding the five-day deadline, I think it is okay. At Japanese Wikipedia, virtually no policy decision is made within a week. We wait at least 7 days to see if there is any dissent. (If there is, we discuss the proposal further, and take more time.) But probably this list is merely a spin-out from the existing one, and that means the voting is mainly for those who are already on the list, as opposed to wikipedia-wide. If there is any intention of increasing multilingual participation to a mailinglist (to this or any other), we may need to take more time and listen to what people have to say. But Erik's proposal is not about increasing participation, etc. If the current participants think splitting is a good idea, that might well be enough. But still, if there is no reason to hurry, it is okay to vote for 7 days, or even to keep vote open until 3days of no voting activity, I suppose. If the list ends up under-used, for example, this kind of wider-consensus could serve as a source of legitimacy to keep it, and try to make use of it, as opposed to simply abandon it. But again, maybe Erik is thinking that it is too obvious that there is a need for the list, and taking long time for a vote is not necessary. He might be right. Regards, Tomos _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/

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List proposal: foundation-l
by erik_moeller＠gmx.de 27 Mar '04

27 Mar '04

Now that intlwiki-l is officially merged into wikipedia-l, I suggest a new mailing list for Wikimedia-wide issues so this list isn't cluttered by non-Wikipedia issues. I propose the name foundation-l to avoid constant Wikipedia/Wikimedia typos. The detailed proposal is here: http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation-L_Proposal The voting deadline is March 31. Please translate this announcement into your local language and post it on the relevant wiki pages / mailing lists. All best, Erik

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EasyTimeline - Generate graphical timelines from a simple script
by Erik Zachte 27 Mar '04

27 Mar '04

As the saying goes: a picture often tells more than a thousand words. This is certainly true for graphical timelines. A detailed listing of events and dates in tabular form may offer the reader a lot of specifics, but may fail to provide an overview, a grand perspective. I have devised a simple yet flexible script syntax for defining time chart input. A user writes an input script, runs EasyTimeline (invokes other free sw) to generate the chart and uploads chart and script to Wikipedia. Someone else can download and modify the script, generate a new or translated version of the chart, and upload chart and script back to Wikipedia. Examples and details at http://members.chello.nl/epzachte/Wikipedia/EasyTimeline/Introduction.htm Please comment at http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Project_Time_Charts Erik Zachte

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WikiHiero is here !!
by Guillaume Blanchard 26 Mar '04

26 Mar '04

Hi all, I developed a PHP program (named WikiHiero) to convert text wrote according to the "Hieroglyphs coding manual" (international standard for typing hieroglyph text on computer) syntax into HTML tables using a set of image (no image generation like TeX). I'd like to add this program into Wikimedia software that we can easily use hieroglyphs in Wikipedia, WikiSource and Wikitionary. We need a new tag (for example [[hiero:]]) then send to the WikiHiero program the text into that tags. This program create a string with HTML tags (<table> and <img>) we can print (echo) into the page during parsing. [[hiero:w-i-k-i-p:d-i-a]] => echo WikiHiero("w-i-k-i-p:d-i-a"); I put a test version of WikiHiero at http://aoineko.free.fr. You can, for example, try to type w-i-k-i-p:d-i-a, your name, or what you want ;o) ('-' is for block separation and ':' for glyph superposition). I personally planed to use it in Wikipedia, but there are many hieroglyph texts available we may add to WikiSource (if under a free licence). The set of image contain about 1000 small PNG pictures for a total size of about 1 Mb. I didn't tune yet the program, but I think parsing time is inconsequential for small text (I avoid all file check by creating pre-calculate tables). I'm sure we can make many speed improvements, but I think this version is quick enough to be added to Wikimedia. Any advices to speed process are welcome. I add an option to output hieroglyph as text (for text only browser) using the glyph phonemes. Ypu can test it on http://aoineko.free.fr by choosing the "Text only" mode. The better may be to add an option into preference (like TeX) to choose the render method. The program is under GFDL (I didn't released source yet because I want to comment them first) and hieroglyphs pictures author authorized me to put them under GFDL. Aoineko

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