Wikipedia-l June 2003

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Re: Admins: Revert
by Daniel Mayer 14 Jun '03

14 Jun '03

Karl Eichwalder: >I as a regular user feel be punished. Or say it in >different words: it's a sad story that I cannot help >fixing bad edits without three extra clicks. If you want to help fix vandal edits real easy then become a sysop. Our only real criteria is that a person known enough not to be a vandal and isn't likely to abuse sysop powers. I hereby nominate you. But we cannot let any random user have this ability; Vandals /will/ use it to constantly revert every edit by users that show up in Recent Changes. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Do we need a new logo contest?
by Menchi Zh-En WP 14 Jun '03

14 Jun '03

I love Erik's logo that includes Wikification: [[ O ]]. I must say it's very symbolic and realistic. Re: Eric's points 1) Making those words intentionally hard-to-see seems suspicious somehow. You have no idea how many times I tried to stick my eyeballs in front of the screens in various WPs just to read them. Of course, all attempts failed. 2) Agreed. It's not representative. To be honest, I have not heard of Hobbes before I came to WP. Not to undermine his importance, but his philosophy is not just mentioned and definitely not taught in most Taiwanese and Canadian schools. 3) Definitely, speaking from a Chinese WPian's point-of-view. Re: Eric's recommendations * I oppose alphabet letter used as the logo (OK in subtitle/captions/title, however). It's too regional. * Humans are not good, because their physical characteristics are too obviously identifiable with an ethnicity. * Non-human creature is good. * Books are good. I really would like to see Wikifcation symbols used. Maybe not black beside yellow, though! ;-) Menchi Zh-En _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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semantic wikipedia?
by Kai Kumpf 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Hi all has anyone ever considered overlaying Wikipedia with a kind of ontology as offered by e.g. Roget's Thesaurus or, even better: OpenCyc? I personally guess that this would boost Wikipedia's usefulness enormously. Regards Hallo hat schon mal jemand darueber nachgedacht, ob oder wie man Wikipedia nicht mit einer Ontologie, wie sie in Thesauri zu finden ist, oder public domain wie in OpenCyc? Ich vermute, dass der Nutzwert von Wikipedia dadurch einen immensen Schub erfahren wuerde. Gruessle kku

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Other encyclopedias taking notice?
by sgilbert＠nbnet.nb.ca 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Maybe it's just my imagination, but it seems that some of the traditional encyclopedias are taking notice of Wikipedia. For example, Encyclopedia.com (which uses the Columbia Concise Encyclopedia) now has a "Today in History" front page. Births, deaths and events listed with links to appropriate articles. They also list "Top Searches", which wasn't there before. The Encyclopaedia Brittanica has as its HTML title: "the online encyclopedia you can trust." Is that a reference to that nasty wiki encyclopedia where anyone can add content? As Wikipedia becomes more well known in the mainstream, the established players may stop ignoring us and go on a direct offensive. That should be interesting. - Stephen Gilbert ------- Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia http://www.wikipedia.org

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Chinese 'Pedia Admin, the Lack of
by Menchi Zh-En WP 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Since the Chinese Wikipedia began over half a year ago, we have lacked any sort of administrator. Brion VIBBER has been kindly helping us with programming problems, but since he can't read Chinese characters, he is unable to help us do the dirty work of cleaning up after vandalistic acts. As we currently only have just over 200 articles, there is not much to vandal on yet, but occasionally, repetitive vandals (mostly Anons, some registered) grace us with annoying visits. Moreover, 2 or 3 bothersome nonsensical (purposeful or experimental) "articles" occur daily, usually as new articles, or worse, as additions or total replacements. As the number of the articles increase (and it is swiftly), among other things, more unpleasantness -- some of which we have experienced -- will surely arrive, unfortunately. We would like to be ready for that approaching time whose front. Discussions between existing contributors led to the recommendation of the following five candidates, who, based on their past actions and communications, are all deemed responsible, objective, and therefore qualified to be Wikipedia administrators: * Formulax of Shanghai and Singapore (966 edits since November 2002): Biographies, philosophy, art history, international relations, etc. * Lorenzarius of Hong Kong (569 ed. since February 2002): Mainlander administrations (especially provincial-level), meta-documents, etc. * Menchi of Canada and Taiwan (472 ed. since February 2002): North American societies, overseas Chinese, Korean studies, etc. And two impressively gung ho newbies: * Samuel of Canton (656 ed. since May 2002): language, education, zoology, pathology, geography, mathematics, European societies, etc. * Shizhao of Beijing (831 ed. since May 2002): mineralogy, classical literature, pre-modern technology, chemistry, etc. Together, the five above made about 60% of all existing edits on the Chinese Wikipedia. The potential administrators represent a variety of interest, and not the bias of a particular ideology or region or ancestry: * Two of the above contributors use traditional Chinese, three simplified. * Two overseas, three "internal". * Two are raised in Cantonese environment, two Mandarin, one Wu. * Four are bilingual in English, one Russian. Tertiary languages include French, Spanish and German. * Several have been active in the English Wikipedia, such as Menchi, the 63rd most active contributor there. The last two contributors are admittedly new, but their extensive work should show their ability and personality. None of us know each other personally, so these nominations were based purely on professional understanding. There are additional good writers, but they have not yet demonstrated an overwhelming enthusiasm or a desire to maintain the program and protect it from vandal destruction, so they were not included in the final list above. We would like to improve this young project and help it grow. In order to do that, we should be able to serve the cause of Wikipedia easier and faster. And we believe that administratorship can allow us to achieve that goal. -- Menchi _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: Categories
by David Levinson 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Some time ago it was proposed to develop trees from the Wikipedia Main Page, so that one could identify categories based on their propinquity to main page topics. So for instance, [[highway]] which is linked from [[transport]] would be classified as [[category:transport]] (pages could of course have multiple categories, with degrees of separation from the various main page articles noted, some cut off (number of degrees away > 5 perhaps, would be used). (e.g. [[category:blah, degrees:2]] This function would be automated (or semi-automated), which some may say is not sufficiently wiki; on the other hand, it would allow us to come up with a first cut classification for 130000 articles, which will take a bit of time by hand. I believe this was done for [[philosophy]]. See [[List of philosophical topics]] What is the status of [[Wikipedia:Category experiment]] David Levinson

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tamilsex at google
by Chuck Smith 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Ok, I don't understand this one bit. Searching google for "tamilsex" brings back as #15 result: Redaktante Tamilsex actress babilona Priskribu la novan pagxon cxiloke. Resumo: Bonvolu noti, ke cxiu kontribuajxo al la Vikipedio estu konsiderata eldonita laux la GNU Free Documentation License. ... test-eo.wikipedia.com/wiki/ tamilsex+actress+babilona&action=edit - 6k - Cached - Similar pages Ok, now I'm definitely making this page a redirect to "About this page"... or perhaps we should write an article in Esperanto about Tamilsex? uhhhh... Confused, Chuck ===== Learn Esperanto - http://www.lernu.net/ My homepage - http://www.amuzulo.net/ TEJO-Vikio - http://www.tejo.org/vikio/ Enciklopedio - http://eo.wikipedia.org/ __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de

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Reclaim the Public Domain Petition
by jansson＠gmx.net 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

"jansson(a)gmx.net" sends you the enclosed page from one of the Artifice web sites: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html ** ** ** Personal comments from "jansson(a)gmx.net": Everybody who has ever uploaded a puplic domain image or used the old Britannica should put Wikipedia in the "Something I Created Using Public Domain" field. Kurt

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replying to posts
by Ilya N. 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

I'm not using the NNTP way for the lists, I'm using the other way, so how do I reply to posts?

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Sysop Request
by Ilya N. 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

I, Ilyanep (on wikipedia), would like to requests Sysop privelages. For many reasons can you trust me to be a sysop. 1. Check my contributions, which you will find to all be positive 2. Check my time here, I've familiarized myself with the wikipedia, and know this place like the back of my hand 3. You've probably seen me around So, if you don't like anything about me, then what?

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