OK - if I'm reading the current thread right I think
we are chasing a red herring with 24.42.43.3.
Let me be crystal clear here: The user known as '24'
used the IP 24.150.61.63 when he was banned many
months ago NOT 24.42.43.3. I have only had dealings
with 142.177.xxx.xxx NOT 24.42.43.3.
I'm not sure why 24.42.43.3 was listed on my talk page
(I think they were tag teaming on a talk page). But
just because 24.42.43.3 is not '24' doesn't mean that
142.177.xxx.xxx isn't. It was Axel who first brought
the '24'/142 connection to my attention so he would
probably be a better person to explain the connection.
Here is '24's "user page":
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:24.150.61.63
--mav
The writing style, choice of terminology, political
bias, and using unneeded "w" links on talk pages of
142 is very similar to '24.' What is more telling is
that both 24.150.61.63 and 142.177.104.168 seem be
from the Toronto area (at least they both use Toronto
hops). But then half of Canada could be using those
same hops as far as I know. But on the face of it it
does look like '24' has simply changed ISPs. There are
too many coincidences to discount.
Whois lookup for 24.150.61.63 (indicates IP is from
the Toronto area)
http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=express&Netnic=whois.arin.net&hos…
Whois lookup for 142.177.104.168 (Also indicates IP is
from the Toronto area)
http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=express&Netnic=whois.arin.net&hos…
Wikipedia is too damn slow right now for me to do any
real research but here are some links:
.
Something written by 142 which was later placed in
meta (note the mention of us 'not using meta' ; '24'
also charged the 'cabal' for this)
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal
An interchange between Axel and 142
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_troll
142 posting a complaint against AxelBoldt (I
mistakenly told Jimbo on the phone that this was on
the annoying users page)
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Edit_wars_in_progress…
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May I be a Wiktionary sysop? I just came upon an article [[??????]], which was
created because someone's web browser changed Russian letters to question
marks, and my first impulse was to delete it - but I can't.
phma
> I have just added namespace-specific subpage
> support to Wikipedia.
Thank you so much! A year ago I kept bugging the
techies to add this until I finally just gave up on
the idea. However, I think the subpages should only
be used on the User namespace. If Jimbo disagrees
with this then he should delete his user subpages...
Chuck
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If I attempt to edit a page which DOES exist, "You've followed a link to a page that doesn't exist yet ..." is nonetheless being displayed at the top of the page.
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I believe that I am subscribed to three of the Wikipedia Miling lists.
However, the number of times I have had to go through the "confirm your
address" and then "your post is being moderated" process now stands at 7 -
all from the same email address as far as I can tell. What gives? :-(
--
Richard Grevers
Folks,
when the whole subpage discussion first came up, Larry Sanger wrote:
"Subpages would be nice, I suppose, for other namespaces, like the Wikipedia
namespace and the User namespace." I have just added namespace-specific subpage
support to Wikipedia. This means that we can now enable subpages selectively for
only the User & Talk namespaces. I suggest doing so.
Currently users are already creating pages like:
[[User:Eloquence/Wikipedia Manifesto]]
(not a real page).
With subpage support enabled, it would be possible to just type
[[/Wikipedia Manifesto]]
on the respective page, and the link would automatically go to the above
page. Furthermore, the "Wikipedia Manifesto" page would provide an automatic
backlink to [[User:Eloquence]].
Similarly; users are archiving talk pages like this:
[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1]] [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2]] [[Talk:Main
Page/Archive 3]]
Again, here we can simply type
[[/Archive 1]] [[/Archive 2]] [[/Archive 3]]
and have automatic backlinks on the archive pages.
When the new Wikipedia software was developed, it was decided not to support
subpages for the reason that they would disturb the Wikipedia article
structure. I agree with this reasoning, but it is not valid for user and talk
pages. Since we now have the ability to turn on subpages selectively, I see no
reason not to do so. We could also globally enable them on wikis where they
might be useful, e.g. Meta.
Regards,
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>===== Original Message From wikipedia-l-request(a)wikipedia.org =====
>
>> For background on this user see:
>>
>http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Maveric149/archive_8
>
>
>142.227.121.39 Canadian Department of Education
> 142.177.104.168 Stentor National Integrated
>Communications Network
> 142.177.97.215 Stentor National Integrated
>Communications Network
> 24.42.43.3 Rogers Cable Inc.
> (more specifically, Rogers Cable Inc.
>Lndn ON-ROG-14-LNDN-1)
>
> Reverse DNS lookups
> 142.227.121.39 pc-39.bws.Library.NS.CA. (Nova Scotia
>provincial library)
> 142.177.104.168 hlfx54-1-168.ns.sympatico.ca. (?Nova
>Scotia? ?dial-up?)
> 142.177.97.215 hlfx47-215.ns.sympatico.ca. (?Nova
>Scotia? ?dial-up?)
> 24.42.43.3
>CPE014440006755.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com.
> as of 10:10 UTC 2003-01-14 (but may
>be dynamic?)
>
>
>There is very little evidence 142 and 24 are the same
>persons here. I fail to see what supported banning 142
>under the affirmation he is 24, the latter not even
>being banned any more.
>
>Or is this an incorrect interpretation?
>
>Please, do provide evidence to support your conviction
>these adresses are from the same person, and further
>evidence that both require banning.
>
I joined this discussion late, but I have somewhat conclusive proof that 142
and 24 are different people. I live in eastern Canada and am familiar with
those IP addresses:
ns.sympatico.ca is the Nova Scotia branch of a national dial-up ISP run by an
alliance of local telephone companies called Stentor.
Rogers is a Canadian cable TV and internet company, however, they have little
to no presence (at least as far as TV is concerned) in Nova Scotia. The IP
seems to imply that 24 is in London, Ontario. Rogers does seem to operate in
London, since their website lists a TV cable channel lineup for that city. I
am pretty sure Rogers does not provide Internet access in cities where they do
not have cable TV.
Unless this person zips back and forth between the two cities, I would have to
say that you're dealing with two different people here.
JPK
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--- Daniel Mayer <maveric149(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> I found this on my meta talk page after I extended a
> ban on an IP that is virtually identical to an IP
> that
> had already been banned for making a hideous racial
> slur:
>
> >....
> >Murder of vast numbers of people who believe as you
> >do becomes justified, when you use control of a
> >technology that they don't have, to censor their
> >views on what you are doing, and make it impossible
> >for them to stop you any other way.
Mav, I understand your deept trouble. And I agree
wholeheartedly it is wrong to threaten people.
You certainly removed that very offending text.
Fortunately, page history will keep track of such a
threat, and will make it possible to estimate the
extent of it.
On which page is that threat by the way ?
> I may have been wrong in banning the IP from en.wiki
> but I don't appreciate thinly veiled threats on my
> life.
I don't understand very well...Didn't you say you
banned this ip from the en.wiki *before* the threats
were made ? If so, how threats coming after the ban
could have had any influence on the ban decision ?
> Can we ban all this users IPs and perhaps call the
> cops?
I have not been able to understand what were the
reasons for complaint towards these ips, except for
the ulterior threats made on you.
Decisions for hard-security are *unfortunately* taken
in cases of pure vandalism, such as goat image
posting, or defacement of articles. Have these ips
been doing such things ?
> For background on this user see:
>
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Maveric149/archive_8
142.227.121.39 Canadian Department of Education
142.177.104.168 Stentor National Integrated
Communications Network
142.177.97.215 Stentor National Integrated
Communications Network
24.42.43.3 Rogers Cable Inc.
(more specifically, Rogers Cable Inc.
Lndn ON-ROG-14-LNDN-1)
Reverse DNS lookups
142.227.121.39 pc-39.bws.Library.NS.CA. (Nova Scotia
provincial library)
142.177.104.168 hlfx54-1-168.ns.sympatico.ca. (?Nova
Scotia? ?dial-up?)
142.177.97.215 hlfx47-215.ns.sympatico.ca. (?Nova
Scotia? ?dial-up?)
24.42.43.3
CPE014440006755.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com.
as of 10:10 UTC 2003-01-14 (but may
be dynamic?)
There is very little evidence 142 and 24 are the same
persons here. I fail to see what supported banning 142
under the affirmation he is 24, the latter not even
being banned any more.
Or is this an incorrect interpretation?
Please, do provide evidence to support your conviction
these adresses are from the same person, and further
evidence that both require banning.
>
> Direct link to my talk page:
> http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Maveric149
>
> --mav
Thanks to all contributors.
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