And one of my roommates in college, who was in pre-med, thought Miami was west of Mississippi. And he was from Miami. Infinite anecdotes. There was some talk also of making the names as easy as possible to link to without surprising anyone. (and that's still to some extent the convention... Paris, France is still just at [[Paris]]. But I think you're right that it reveals an unintended bias because most of the original contributors were from the States (and most probably still are) (say "St. Petersburg" around my workplace, and probably 1 person out of 100 can tell you about the one in Russia). We should probably disambiguate extensively.
kq
>Dakotas is it that borders Canada?" And I went to a gathering in western
>North Carolina and made a nametag in the shape of North Carolina. Someone
>asked me, "Is that a state?"
>
>phma
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We all know that originally the Wikipedia was "definitely an encyclopaedia" and "definitely NOT a dictionary".
However, the domain of the "Almanac" was never adequately integrated or rejected. Maveric et al have been formatting the wide variety of lists that are out there, but I can see the need for an "WikiAlmanac" namespace (or whatever) as well. Most encyclopaedias also offer an Almanac section (under a variety of alternate terms such as "Fact Book" etc)
I can think of a hundred things off the top of my head that would be useful - largest islands, countries by population density, presidents of US, Nigeria, etc PMs of UK, Australia, Academy Award/Nobel Prize/Pulitzer Prize/Booker Prize/Hugo Award/etc winners, longest rivers, etc etc etc. There is already a vast amount of stuff in the PEdia already, and I think it is time to start getting it all truly organised.
Manning
Tarquin et al
I've noticed a excellent trend towards achieving consistency lately. The WikiProject was an attempt to instill some consistency back in the days when achieving that was (software-wise) far more difficult. As you pointed out it did not adequately include naming conventions.
I think a namespace for such things would be beneficial. I actually don't care what the namespace, as long as it is easy to use. A "Wikiproject" namespace has a few arguments for it - it's obviously NOT an article topic (unlike "conventions" or similar). Also a lot of work has already been done using this name so changing it would take some editing.
Manning
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:42:06 +0100
From: tarquin <tarquin(a)planetunreal.com>
To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com
Subject: [Wikipedia-l] hello list; WikiProject
Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com
hello all.
I'd like to volunteer for the moving of WikiProject & associated pages
over to Wikipedia: namespace.
before I do, though, could I ask for thoughts on a different name?
I suggest something like "presentation schemes", to stand alongside
"naming conventions"
alternatively, should "naming conventions" be absorbed into
WikiProjects? the original proposal is about naming schemes as well as
consistent content presentation.
Another question: is there a main page of some sort for the Wikipedia:
namespace? Should there be?
tarquin
Someone calling himself Asmar uploaded
http://www.wikipedia.com/upload/&%231603;&%231575;&%231587;
&%231575;&%231604;&%231593;&%231575;&%231604;&%231605; 01.jpg and it won't go
away. I tried replacing every "&" with "%26" in the URL and that didn't work.
Anyone know how to do this?
phma
hello all.
I'd like to volunteer for the moving of WikiProject & associated pages
over to Wikipedia: namespace.
before I do, though, could I ask for thoughts on a different name?
I suggest something like "presentation schemes", to stand alongside
"naming conventions"
alternatively, should "naming conventions" be absorbed into
WikiProjects? the original proposal is about naming schemes as well as
consistent content presentation.
Another question: is there a main page of some sort for the Wikipedia:
namespace? Should there be?
tarquin
> If a name has diacritics, for instance [[Jose Ramos-Horta|José
> Ramos-Horta]], avoid the diacritics when naming an article. If a
> link has a diacritic, what page it links to depends on the
> character set the browser is set to. A UTF-8 browser goes to what
> looks to a Latin-1 browser as "Jos&itrema;&iques;&1/2; Ramos-
> Horta", whereas a Latin-1 browser goes to an article whose title
> has an invalid UTF-8 character.
I think our general consensus is that there should be an article
titled without diacritics, or otherwise Anglicised ("Goedel",
for example), and that this article should be a redirect to an
article with the real title, diacritics and all.
If the title of the article with foreign characters does not
appear correctly on your browser, then there's a bug in someone's
software, either the browser's or Wikipedia's (or both). I just
started tackling that issue in the new codebase; if there's a
specific combination of wiki page, OS, and browser that cause you
a problem, let me know and I'll use that as a test case for the
new code.
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I'd like to add the following to the page:
=== Avoid diacritics ===
If a name has diacritics, for instance [[Jose Ramos-Horta|José
Ramos-Horta]], avoid the diacritics when naming an article. If a link has a
diacritic, what page it links to depends on the character set the browser is
set to. A UTF-8 browser goes to what looks to a Latin-1 browser as
"Jos&itrema;&iques;&1/2; Ramos-Horta", whereas a Latin-1 browser goes to an
article whose title has an invalid UTF-8 character.
Is that really UTF-8? I thought that é was only two bytes in UTF-8. Those
entity codes I made up on the spot, but there really is such an article (go
to Jose Ramos-Horta and hit "pages that link here").
phma
I recompiled PHP 4.2 with libiconv support (which we'll need for
the international wikis) and installed it on my test server. Since
this is a version we haven't used for any other installation, I'd
like it to see some serious testing. Thanks as always:
http://www.piclab.com/newwiki/wiki.phtml
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This was uploaded so long ago that there is no record of who uploaded it. It
is a frameset with both sides 404 which pops up a message box. Should it be
deleted?
phma