Wikipedia-l March 2002

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apologies
by koyaanisqatsi＠nupedia.com 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

I sent Jimbo three messages and forgot to change the to: field. sorry to bother everyone with my housekeeping. On that note, I'll go take a nap. kq 0

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] is_sysop (again)
by koyaanisqatsi＠nupedia.com 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

nevermind about that request, I just noticed I have a new link "delete this page" in the sidebar. Sorry, I'm a bit tired from papers and film editing. :-/ kq 0

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] is_sysop
by koyaanisqatsi＠nupedia.com 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

Hello, Could you explain how to go about deleting pages? I'd like to start with obvious candidates such as [[NotForPublicConsumption]]. Although looking through the list at http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Wikipedia_utilities/Page+titles+to+be+deleted now, I see most of the ones in clear need of deletion have been deleted already. and no, i don't intend to delete much at all. :-) kq0

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Admin status?
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

The front page still has "Winter Olympics" on it as a current event, which I'd be happy to update if I could. And if you do give me admin status, I promise not to ban 24.150.61.xxx just because he's pissing me off. :-) 0

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History/Daily news
by Magnus Manske 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

I remember vaguely we tried some sort of "wikipedia newspaper" some time ago, but it didn't work. Today I saw a similar attempt on the German 'pedia, where you should add today's date each day on a special page and write about current events from the news. This might actually work on wikipedia.com, if we'd automatically add a link to "today" (like [[2002-03-22]]) in the sidebar. It would draw attention and remind people there's something they might want to write about. That way, we'd get at least links to many current topics, and on wikipedia, links tend to turn into articles ;) Might be worth a try, another link in the sidebar is a small price to pay. Magnus

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Main page access
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

On Talk:Main Page there is a comment about giving modification rights on the main page to more people, now that Larry's participation is sporadic (and Jimbo's always was). It is getting rather out of date, and I'm sure there are a few other folks we can trust not to screw it up too badly.

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Fork within a language
by Ian 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Its not your English, I'm sure that has more to do with the politics of Sweden. I just read George Orwell's /Homage to Catalonia/ and he refered to right-wing Socialists (Stalinists) and left-wing Socialists (the marxists he was fighting with). This concept is absent in the US; at least I've never heard of it before. Interesting stuff, though totally off topic. Ian Monroe http://mlug.missouri.edu/~eean/ On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Lars Aronsson lars(a)aronsson.se XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote: > Michel Clasquin wrote: > > > It would carefully point out any misuse of power > > You mean as in [[Stalin]], [[Pol Pot]], [[Mao]] . . . ? > > It might be my limited command of English, but these dictators aren't > referred to as "leftist" in my country. I should have left politics > out of this. My point was merely that today we use separate wikis for > different languages, but perhaps there is also a reason to use > separate wikis for different audience/attitude/point of view. > > > BUT once this particular period of youth culture passes into oblivion and > > is replaced by another, a record of it in a separate wiki could serve as > > That would be the combination of youth culture and a history > wiki. You are way ahead of me here. :-) > > > -- > Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se) > Aronsson Datateknik > Teknikringen 1e, SE-583 30 Linuxköping, Sweden > tel +46-70-7891609 > http://aronsson.se/ http://elektrosmog.nu/ http://susning.nu/

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Fork within a language
by Lars Aronsson 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

I'm trying to understand where the boundaries for Wikipedia are. Forgive me if this gets philosophical, and not very practical. There has been a lot of talk about languages that fork away from the Wikipedia project. But what about forks within the language? Will the English Wikipedia always be the single source, or when will it be reasonable to set up another Wiki? There are, of course, already other Wikis. http://c2.com/ (the original Wiki, founded in 1994) has the Portland Pattern Repository, devoted to object-oriented software development and eXtreme Programming. Some of the information there might overlap with Wikipedia, but most of it would be considered too non-encyclopedic if it was suddenly copied to Wikipedia. Could a Wiki devoted to history have a place outside of Wikipedia? When describing London, it would focus on the city's historic features, not on the facets of today's London. Then again, Wikipedia's entries on many things are focused on history. It is almost as if Wikipedia is that history Wiki. History, after all, is so much more in line with the contents of an encyclopedia than is object-oriented software development. Could a leftist-point-of-view Wiki exist side by side with Wikipedia? It would carefully point out any misuse of power, and list activist and political groups. Its logotype could be a hammer-and-sickle or simply a red star on white background. (There is already a leftist encyclopedia (non-Wiki) in Danish on http://www.leksikon.org/) A youth culture Wiki might list all the hot dance clubs in London, but forget the British Museum. (Does Wikipedia list any clubs at all?) The entire Wiki could be white text on black background. I think target groups, focus, design, logotypes would be different for each one of these Wikis. Just like websites are different today. Some titles (like "London") would exist in several of them, but with a different slant. Some titles (like "British Museum") might only exist in Wikipedia. If all of these Wikis existed side by side, how would Wikipedia best take advantage of this expanded network? Should Wikipedia be its backbone, or try to be self-sufficient, ignoring the outside world? Just to be clear: I'm not suggesting a fork of Wikipedia. -- Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik Teknikringen 1e, SE-583 30 Linuxköping, Sweden tel +46-70-7891609 http://aronsson.se/ http://elektrosmog.nu/ http://susning.nu/

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Re: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Spinoff project
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Thanks; you also need to add a clear copyright notice to the site itself. In the absence of clear notice, the content of the site is by default fully copyrighted, and using GFDL content there would be a violation. I know this legal stuff is a real nuisance--I'd just as soon it was all repealed. But while it's still the law of the land, you do have to pay attention to the little details. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <lcrocker(a)nupedia.com> >To: <wikipedia-l(a)nupedia.com> >Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Spinoff project > >> Rosa's project specifically says that any materials to be >> posted on her site must be in the public domain, so unless she >> changes that she won't be able to use anything from Wikipedia >> (except for stuff she can get independently from authors like >> me who release their work to the public domain as well as >> putting it here). > >Hm - checking back, I did say that. I was, of course, thinking of sources >other than FDL-released sources, I'll amend it to say "public domain or >otherwise legally available for GNU FDL release". Thanks for pointing that >wrinkle out. > >--April > >[Wikipedia-l] >To manage your subscription to this list, please go here: >http://www.nupedia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Spinoff project
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

>> Also, I'd like to ask something of an etiquette question - to Jimbo >>Wales in particular, and to the Wikipedians in general. How do people >>feel about Wikipedia material being ported over and adapted for use in >>the textbook project? I know what the "public domain" rules are, but >>I don't want to do anything that would create bad feeling or set up >>for trouble between the sites. I do, of course, have Wikipedia linked >>back from a couple of places. ;) > >I think it's wonderful! > >I think that the Right Thing To Do is to link back to us on any pages that have >our stuff as a source. Something as simple as "This page partly based on >http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Whatever" would be great. > >I don't intend to be a real stickler about this sort of thing, meaning >the linkback. The one thing that I don't want, is for Microsoft or >AOL or Yahoo or someone like that to take our content without >attribution. I think that's going to be a huge opportunity for the >free content to grow like crazy, and so letting people know we exist >is great. > >And we should have a prominent page somewhere for "fellow travelers", i.e. other >people who are doing neat things with wiki and a free license, like you, and like >the Sevilla group, etc. > >--Jimbo >[Wikipedia-l] >To manage your subscription to this list, please go here: >http://www.nupedia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l Rosa's project specifically says that any materials to be posted on her site must be in the public domain, so unless she changes that she won't be able to use anything from Wikipedia (except for stuff she can get independently from authors like me who release their work to the public domain as well as putting it here). 0

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