Wikipedia-l October 2002

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] cross-Wikipedia redirects
by Brion VIBBER 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Jason Richey wrote: > Brion VIBBER wrote: >>Do we want to allow convenient [[Site:Title]] linking to other >>non-Wikipedia wikis? >> >>Eg, [[MeatBall:InterWiki]] would get you to >>http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?InterWiki > > We may be shooting ourselves in the foot by doing this... With a URL > like the one you mention, I think it likely that it will disappear in > the future... > > I would not be opposed to linking [[Site:Title]] for non-Wikipedia > wikis if their URLs looked like the administrator of the site intended > to support them forever... For instance, if the URL was > http://www.usemod.com/wiki/InterWiki or the like... Hmm, isn't that exactly what this would solve? The InterMap list is maintained and updated regularly. If we keep track of that and update our copy (along with the general software maintenance and development), then that neatly solves the problem of hand-copied URLs in article text potentially becoming obsolete and difficult to track down and correct manually. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Astrobiology encyclopedia and Wikipedia
by Magnus Manske 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Today, I contacted David Darling, creator of the Astrobiology encyclopedia (http://www.angelfire.com/on2/daviddarling) and asked him about possible relations between our projects. Here is the reply I got. IMHO the link he asks for is OK for new articles or major improvements ("This article based on [http:... this one, with permission]"). Thought I'd ask the list first, though. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Astrobiology encyclopedia and Wikipedia Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:05:36 -0600 From: David Darling <daviddarling(a)angelfire.com> Reply-To: daviddarling(a)angelfire.com Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) To: Magnus Manske <magnus.manske(a)epost.de> Dear Magnus, Thanks for your message and kind words about my encyclopedia. The wikipedia is a marvelous idea and resource, which I have used myself many times. I would be happy to "donate" or adapt some of my a-z entries to the wikipedia. Would it possible to include a link to my website at the end of each such article? I am quite happy to offer my time and effort freely on the Internet but must try to subsidise myself through (hopefully!) additional book sales that come about through visitors to my site. Best wishes, David Darling P.S. Your English appears to be flawless! On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:13:14 Magnus Manske wrote: >Dear Dr. Darling, > >I have just recently discovered your fascinating astrobiology >encyclopedia (http://www.angelfire.com/on2/daviddarling/), and hope the >following might be of interest to you. > >Studying biology myself, I have worked on software and articles at >Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org), a free internet encyclopedia. We >are now approaching 90000 more-or-less complete articles, which are >freely available under the GFDL (GNU Free Documentation License). > >As our "members" (everyone can edit any article) come from every >imaginable scientific background, we might have some information that >would help you fill the (minor) gaps in your topic list, or complete others. > >Likewise, we would be very interested in you becoming a contributor to >our project. Though our articles are not credited to any author, a new >and extensive article can be marked with a line like "this article is >based on...". > >Hoping the above will be helpful, or at least fun, >Magnus Manske > >P.S.: Please excuse my bad English, I am from Germany. > > ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Wikipedia photo squad?
by koyaanisqatsi＠nupedia.com 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

mav wrote: >Correct me if am I wrong somebody but I do believe that an image copyright >holder has the right to keep a restrictive copyright on a full resolution >image AND also spin off lower resolution versions under other less >restrictive licenses. I haven't heard about this. Seems counterintuitive IMHO, and a bit picky, but I'd like to know if it's the case anyway. :-) kq

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photos
by Matt M. 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

> I hope you are all aware of [[Wikipedia:Requested pictures]] > which is a place where editors and photographers perhaps should meet > and cooperate. Thanks for the info. It so happens that I am an avid (highly) amateur digital photographer, and I've incorporated a number of photographs from my travels into various Wikipedia articles such as [[Montreal]], [[Quebec City]], [[Ottawa]], [[Parliament of Canada]], [[Pride parade]], [[Sagrada Familia]], and of course [[Cat]]. More to come. matt

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Re: [Intlwiki-l] [Wikipedia-l] No voting? Then what?
by Toby Bartels 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

[Note: The post that I'm replying to wasn't sent to <wikipedia-l>. Or perhaps it was sent separately; I'm not sure.] Anthere wrote: >That also depends on exactly what *others* mean by >"consensus". >Please, try http://fr.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Consensus Ah, so if I'm willing to trust Wikipedia as a dictionary, it seems that there *is* a French/English difference in meaning. If only we spelled it differently from each other, then we could keep track! In the meantime, the French sense of "consensus" can be described in English as "unanimous consent", I think. And since I can't write in French in the first place, I don't have to worry about how to express English "consensus" in that language ^_^! OK, so clearly we have two ideas, each with its own word, in fact apparently the same word, albeit in different languages. We can talk about whether we should have consensus or unanimous consent (or voting, or the autocratic dictatorship of Jimbo, or ...). I myself would suggest consensus (whatever that may be called in French). The sad thing is that we seemed to have a longstanding consensus in favour of decision making by consensus, although that consensus was breaking as people started to advocate voting more and more. But now it appears that we may never have had such a consensus; we had a consensus that we made decisions by a method called "consensus", but unfortunately that word has different meanings in different languages, so there was consensus only on the word but not on the thing itself. That's the problem with foreign languages; everybody should just use English the way that God intended, which to be quite specific is the way that it's used by me. (I hope that it's obvious that this last sentence is a joke.) -- Toby

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RE: [Wikipedia-l] Feature request (was: RE: Please list the IP address when deleting)
by Poor, Edmund W 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

This is why I always unblock anyone whose IP I've blocked, after a few days. I think I've done a total of about 10 blocks, but if you check the list you won't see my name by anyone. --Ed Poor -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Mayer [mailto:maveric149@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:56 PM I'm sure there are several blocked public computers on the list that should have only been blocked for a couple of days at most. We shoul

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Feature request (was: RE: Please list the IP address when deleting)
by Daniel Mayer 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

On Wednesday 30 October 2002 04:00 am, wikipedia-l-request(a)wikipedia.org wrote: > If you're referring to the junk edits to Sukarno, Suharto, Adolf Hitler, > etc; those came from various IPs, mostly from what looks like a school > or library in Ohio (probably public machines or a cache/proxy); banning > wouldn't help much. > > Suharto - 156.63.200.159 > Sukarno - 156.63.200.159, 156.63.205.5 > Image talk:Hitler.jpg - 156.63.205.5 > Talk:Hafez al-Assad - 198.234.102.59 > Hitler: The Last Ten Days - 156.63.205.5 > > 156.63.205.5 and 198.234.102.59 also each vandalised Adolf Hitler once; > both were quickly reverted. > > You'll notice that after cleaning the first batch, I added the IP in the > deletion notice for "Hitler: The Last Ten Days". You'll also notice no > further activity from these IPs, though no ban is in place. > > -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) Speaking of which, would it be possible to have the software run a traceroute to find out this type of information and have it available via a single click on the blocked IP page? I'm sure there are several blocked public computers on the list that should have only been blocked for a couple of days at most. We should make it easy for Admins to review this stuff instead of relying on them to each periodically run traceroutes on their own. I for one am lazy and rarely bother. I would, however click on a link to computer generated traceroute report and read it. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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the server is indeed down
by Tom Parmenter 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Warning: Host 'localhost.localdomain' is blocked because of many connection errors. Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/w/DatabaseFunctions.php on line 19 Could not connect to DB on 127.0.0.1 Host 'localhost.localdomain' is blocked because of many connection errors. Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' If this error persists after reloading and clearing your browser cache, please notify the Wikipedia developers.

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Wikipedia photo squad?
by koyaanisqatsi＠nupedia.com 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Erik Wrote: >The image copyright discussion reminds me of an idea that has been going >through my head for a while. How about an organized effort to create (shoot) >public domain photos of important people/places/events? I am not a photographer >so I would be a bad person to lead this WikiProject, but maybe there are >people on this list who would be interested in it. > >Basically, the effort would have to be organized in such a way that >- interested photographers put their names and locations on the page and put >the page in their watchlist >- interested users add people, places, things, events etc. to a To Do list. >Photographers add their names to the list if they want to finish a task. The >task is moved into a "Finished tasks" list later and the photos are uploaded. This is IMHO a great idea, and one I'd love to participate in (once my FM2 returns from the shop). If no one has started the page yet, let me know and I will. If the page has been started, please point me to it. :-) kq

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many connection errors
by Anthere 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

this is what I get both on the fr and on the en. Yes, I did the procedure... ??? Anthere Warning: Host 'localhost.localdomain' is blocked because of many connection errors. Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' in /usr/local/apache/htdocs-fr/w/DatabaseFunctions.php on line 19 Connexion impossible � la base de donn�es sur 127.0.0.1 Host 'localhost.localdomain' is blocked because of many connection errors. Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' If this error persists after reloading and clearing your browser cache, please notify the wikitech-l(a)wikipedia.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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