Patrik, try it on a 640x480 screen. :P On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:06 pajz <pajzmail(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I want to thank everyone for this robust discussion! We appreciate the feedback very much. I want to recognize the role that Joseph Seddon has played in encouraging us to share more results with this email list; he's the #1 reason that I started this thread. I also want to thank Peter Coombe, my teammate on the banner crew, for suggesting so many of the notes that I am about to provide. His insight into mediawiki and the more mysterious parts of centralnotice are a constant value. Lots of responses: - I received a note off-thread re: bad wrapping of the Read/edit/more links between 920 - 1060px. We'll take another pass at that. - Agreed about the Close X. We'll make that clearer and easier to click. - This is a good opportunity to reiterate that the norm for us is to only show a single 'large' banner, per device, in a given fundraising campaign. It usually serves as a reader's first banner impression, converts extremely well, and then we move to 'small' banners. Sometimes we test alternate sequences, but this is normal for the vast majority of readers. - This banner is a desktop banner; it will not be shown to anyone on the mobile site. However, it is possible for you to follow the preview link I provided on any device. If you were viewing on a large phone or tablet, it might have seemed particularly strange. - Gergo Tisza, issues with the Timeless skin will not be a problem, because this banner will only be targeted to logged out users who can not pick a custom skin. - Petr Kadlec, this work-in-progress banner is using some copy written in English, as well as a couple translation templates; the final version will all be hardcoded English. However, your bug sounds strange - could you try opening the link in an incognito browser and, if you're still getting a problem, send me a screenshot? - Samuel Klein, that red underline is a pretty consistent element in our designs. For what it's worth, we actually tried a version where the underline did function as a hyperlink, but it had no effect on giving rate. Thanks for your other testing notes! - Additionally: we run surveys to try to understand reader and donor views on how obtrusive and frequent our on-Wikipedia fundraising campaigns are perceived to be. We consistently see feedback that the quantity of banners is "about right," and that the banners are, to most people, not overly aggressive. We'll all be monitoring this thread; thank you, again, to everyone who took the time to respond. In all honesty, I am mostly un-circumspect. I believe that we have to take risks and try many new ideas; wins, and losses, in our work are both frequent and often surprising. I'd point to a blog post we published recently <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/10/03/fundraising-banner-limit/> that shows the diminishing returns of banner impressions over the course of one of our campaigns. It is not true that we could simply run more banners, for longer periods of time, and expect the same returns. It's a constant process of experimentation and I appreciate having such an engaged community to review, improve, and motivate our work. regards, sam On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 8:23 AM, John Erling Blad &lt;jeblad(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

both are equally ugly, they should much more smaller, current banner should 1/10 or 1/8th of a page not half of it. Mardetanha On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Ziko van Dijk &lt;zvandijk(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:35 AM, geni &lt;geniice(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: It would be more accurate to say that it overlaps content that overflows the 'content' div, whatever the reason for the overflow. And it may lead to overflow in more situations, since it reduces the area available to the content div. The usual horizontal scrolling that happens for content that overflows the content div doesn't work right with the banner in place because the scrolling takes effect on the body element rather than the content div. Using the close button on the banner does seem to return these pages to the status quo. I see the Timeless skin has a vaguely similar issue (without the banner). That skin does apply the horizontal scrolling to the content div, but the scrollbar is way at the bottom of the page instead of at the bottom of the screen. -- Brad Jorsch (Anomie) Senior Software Engineer Wikimedia Foundation