Hi all, it's Sam from the online fundraising team. I wanted to give you a heads up about a desktop banner we'd like to test before the official launch of our 'Big English' fundraising banner campaign on Tuesday, November 28.
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10&country=US&...
This banner would run against our current best desktop large banner; here's that link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=B1718_1101_en6C_dsk_p1_lg_templat...
Undoubtedly, it's an unusual format; that's why we felt it appropriate to give you a heads up :) We haven't tried a vertical 'banner on the side' in recent memory, and it'll be useful to see exactly how this type of content performs.
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results to see if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're simply hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller viewports it begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
Sam
Hi Samuel,
thanks for being circumspect about the new banner design!
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Samuel Patton spatton@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
It looks quite nice on a large monitor; a bit cramped but not tragic on my laptop (1080px, but probably physical size matters more than resolution). OTOH it looks quite confusing [1] with the three-column skin Timeless, regardless of screen size. (See deployment plans [2]; not sure if any of those wikis are involved in the fundraiser. If they are, I'd suggest whitelisting the skin.)
[1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Warnier?banner= dsk_p1_lg_right10&country=US&force=1&useskin=timeless [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154371
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_ right10&country=US&force=1
I appreciate that you're trying to innovate, and this requires pushing boundaries. I also appreciate that the WMF fundraising principle "minimal disruption"[1] is subjective thing - and that the WMF has traditionally taken this to mean "be disruptive for the shortest period" rather than "be less disruptive overall, even if it takes longer". However, I do feel that *resizing all the article content to the left, and occupying the entire right side third of the screen with a donation request that follows me as I scroll *is significantly more than minimally disruptive. Personally, I would request that this design approach not be pursued on that basis.
-Liam / Wittylama
p.s. Also, on my screen at least, the "x" dismiss button in the top-right is so small that it hides under Chrome's translucent scrollbar
[1] that https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles#Fundraising
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results to see if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're simply hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller viewports it begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
It is truly an amazing banner, as it might be the first donation banner in the history of donation banners that actually improve the readability of our content. Indeed, we have never been closer to line length recommendations for optimal readability than with this banner.
Patrik
On 15 November 2017 at 01:25, Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_ right10&country=US&force=1
I appreciate that you're trying to innovate, and this requires pushing boundaries. I also appreciate that the WMF fundraising principle "minimal disruption"[1] is subjective thing - and that the WMF has traditionally taken this to mean "be disruptive for the shortest period" rather than "be less disruptive overall, even if it takes longer". However, I do feel that *resizing all the article content to the left, and occupying the entire right side third of the screen with a donation request that follows me as I scroll *is significantly more than minimally disruptive. Personally, I would request that this design approach not be pursued on that basis.
-Liam / Wittylama
p.s. Also, on my screen at least, the "x" dismiss button in the top-right is so small that it hides under Chrome's translucent scrollbar
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Patrik, try it on a 640x480 screen. :P
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:06 pajz pajzmail@gmail.com wrote:
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results to
see
if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're
simply
hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller viewports it begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
It is truly an amazing banner, as it might be the first donation banner in the history of donation banners that actually improve the readability of our content. Indeed, we have never been closer to line length recommendations for optimal readability than with this banner.
Patrik
On 15 November 2017 at 01:25, Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_ right10&country=US&force=1
I appreciate that you're trying to innovate, and this requires pushing boundaries. I also appreciate that the WMF fundraising principle "minimal disruption"[1] is subjective thing - and that the WMF has traditionally taken this to mean "be disruptive for the shortest period" rather than
"be
less disruptive overall, even if it takes longer". However, I do feel that *resizing all the article content to the left,
and
occupying the entire right side third of the screen with a donation
request
that follows me as I scroll *is significantly more than minimally disruptive. Personally, I would request that this design approach not be pursued on that basis.
-Liam / Wittylama
p.s. Also, on my screen at least, the "x" dismiss button in the top-right is so small that it hides under Chrome's translucent scrollbar
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What kind of reasonably new device has that kind of resolution?
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 12:41 PM, jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Patrik, try it on a 640x480 screen. :P
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:06 pajz pajzmail@gmail.com wrote:
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results to
see
if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're
simply
hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller viewports it begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
It is truly an amazing banner, as it might be the first donation banner
in
the history of donation banners that actually improve the readability of our content. Indeed, we have never been closer to line length recommendations for optimal readability than with this banner.
Patrik
On 15 November 2017 at 01:25, Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if
it's
worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_ right10&country=US&force=1
I appreciate that you're trying to innovate, and this requires pushing boundaries. I also appreciate that the WMF fundraising principle
"minimal
disruption"[1] is subjective thing - and that the WMF has traditionally taken this to mean "be disruptive for the shortest period" rather than
"be
less disruptive overall, even if it takes longer". However, I do feel that *resizing all the article content to the left,
and
occupying the entire right side third of the screen with a donation
request
that follows me as I scroll *is significantly more than minimally disruptive. Personally, I would request that this design approach not
be
pursued on that basis.
-Liam / Wittylama
p.s. Also, on my screen at least, the "x" dismiss button in the
top-right
is so small that it hides under Chrome's translucent scrollbar
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I want to thank everyone for this robust discussion! We appreciate the feedback very much. I want to recognize the role that Joseph Seddon has played in encouraging us to share more results with this email list; he's the #1 reason that I started this thread.
I also want to thank Peter Coombe, my teammate on the banner crew, for suggesting so many of the notes that I am about to provide. His insight into mediawiki and the more mysterious parts of centralnotice are a constant value.
Lots of responses:
- I received a note off-thread re: bad wrapping of the Read/edit/more links between 920 - 1060px. We'll take another pass at that.
- Agreed about the Close X. We'll make that clearer and easier to click.
- This is a good opportunity to reiterate that the norm for us is to only show a single 'large' banner, per device, in a given fundraising campaign. It usually serves as a reader's first banner impression, converts extremely well, and then we move to 'small' banners. Sometimes we test alternate sequences, but this is normal for the vast majority of readers.
- This banner is a desktop banner; it will not be shown to anyone on the mobile site. However, it is possible for you to follow the preview link I provided on any device. If you were viewing on a large phone or tablet, it might have seemed particularly strange.
- Gergo Tisza, issues with the Timeless skin will not be a problem, because this banner will only be targeted to logged out users who can not pick a custom skin.
- Petr Kadlec, this work-in-progress banner is using some copy written in English, as well as a couple translation templates; the final version will all be hardcoded English. However, your bug sounds strange - could you try opening the link in an incognito browser and, if you're still getting a problem, send me a screenshot?
- Samuel Klein, that red underline is a pretty consistent element in our designs. For what it's worth, we actually tried a version where the underline did function as a hyperlink, but it had no effect on giving rate. Thanks for your other testing notes!
- Additionally: we run surveys to try to understand reader and donor views on how obtrusive and frequent our on-Wikipedia fundraising campaigns are perceived to be. We consistently see feedback that the quantity of banners is "about right," and that the banners are, to most people, not overly aggressive.
We'll all be monitoring this thread; thank you, again, to everyone who took the time to respond. In all honesty, I am mostly un-circumspect. I believe that we have to take risks and try many new ideas; wins, and losses, in our work are both frequent and often surprising. I'd point to a blog post we published recently https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/10/03/fundraising-banner-limit/ that shows the diminishing returns of banner impressions over the course of one of our campaigns. It is not true that we could simply run more banners, for longer periods of time, and expect the same returns.
It's a constant process of experimentation and I appreciate having such an engaged community to review, improve, and motivate our work.
regards, sam
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 8:23 AM, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
What kind of reasonably new device has that kind of resolution?
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 12:41 PM, jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Patrik, try it on a 640x480 screen. :P
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:06 pajz pajzmail@gmail.com wrote:
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results
to
see
if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're
simply
hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller viewports
it
begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
It is truly an amazing banner, as it might be the first donation banner
in
the history of donation banners that actually improve the readability
of
our content. Indeed, we have never been closer to line length recommendations for optimal readability than with this banner.
Patrik
On 15 November 2017 at 01:25, Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if
it's
worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_ right10&country=US&force=1
I appreciate that you're trying to innovate, and this requires
pushing
boundaries. I also appreciate that the WMF fundraising principle
"minimal
disruption"[1] is subjective thing - and that the WMF has
traditionally
taken this to mean "be disruptive for the shortest period" rather
than
"be
less disruptive overall, even if it takes longer". However, I do feel that *resizing all the article content to the
left,
and
occupying the entire right side third of the screen with a donation
request
that follows me as I scroll *is significantly more than minimally disruptive. Personally, I would request that this design approach not
be
pursued on that basis.
-Liam / Wittylama
p.s. Also, on my screen at least, the "x" dismiss button in the
top-right
is so small that it hides under Chrome's translucent scrollbar
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Hi,
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:36 PM, Samuel Patton spatton@wikimedia.org wrote:
- Petr Kadlec, this work-in-progress banner is using some copy written
in English, as well as a couple translation templates; the final version will all be hardcoded English. However, your bug sounds strange - could you try opening the link in an incognito browser and, if you're still getting a problem, send me a screenshot?
In an incognito browser, the banner shows in English. If I log in in an incognito window and open the banner afterwards, it opens in a mixture of English and Slovak, the text is in English but _some_ of the UI elements are in Slovak, e.g. “Just Once”, but “Vyberte spôsob platby”; or “The Wikimedia Foundation is a nonprofit, tax-exempt organization. Mesačné platby budú pripisované na účet nadácie Wikimedia Foundation dovtedy, kým nepožiadate o ich zastavenie.” (As I said, I have Czech as the UI language, and Slovak is a fallback language for Czech, so there is _some_ method in it, I guess.)
-- [[:cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]]
Sam, Thanks for the heads up! Is there any measure of the negative impact of a banner (in distraction, self-reported annoyance, abandoned sessions), separate from its fundraising impact? I imagine some very noticeable banners will have high positives as well as negatives; then the question would be what tradeoffs to make.
On side banners: have there been recent experiments with a thin side banner in the l.h.s. column?
=== For this test (happen to be on a Win machine today): Win/IE has render troubles; covers some of the r.h.s. of the page. Win/Chrome doesn't show it at all for me; even when turning off all extensions. The corner 'x' is hard to see. text in some boxes is cut off ('Other'). It's not clear how 'Other' works. Generally: looks busy. Recurring issues: Loading after the rest of the page can be confusing on slow connections. Underlined text in the quote that isn't a hyperlink is confusing (and could link to appropriate detail).
Warmly, SJ
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Samuel Patton spatton@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all, it's Sam from the online fundraising team. I wanted to give you a heads up about a desktop banner we'd like to test before the official launch of our 'Big English' fundraising banner campaign on Tuesday, November 28.
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_ right10&country=US&force=1
This banner would run against our current best desktop large banner; here's that link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=B1718_1101_en6C_ dsk_p1_lg_template&force=1&country=US
Undoubtedly, it's an unusual format; that's why we felt it appropriate to give you a heads up :) We haven't tried a vertical 'banner on the side' in recent memory, and it'll be useful to see exactly how this type of content performs.
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results to see if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're simply hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller viewports it begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
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I like it! as it doesn't cover up the article I came to read. Contrary to Liam, it worked well for me in Linux/Firefox and Linux/Chrome.
Regards, Richard.
On 15 November 2017 at 09:12, Samuel Patton spatton@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all, it's Sam from the online fundraising team. I wanted to give you a heads up about a desktop banner we'd like to test before the official launch of our 'Big English' fundraising banner campaign on Tuesday, November 28.
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_ right10&country=US&force=1
<snip> If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
The sidebar version is less offensive than the top banner on my widescreen desktop. The message and text sizing is also better in the sidebar version Cheers, Peter
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Hi all, it's Sam from the online fundraising team. I wanted to give you a heads up about a desktop banner we'd like to test before the official launch of our 'Big English' fundraising banner campaign on Tuesday, November 28.
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10&country=US&...
This banner would run against our current best desktop large banner; here's that link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=B1718_1101_en6C_dsk_p1_lg_templat...
Undoubtedly, it's an unusual format; that's why we felt it appropriate to give you a heads up :) We haven't tried a vertical 'banner on the side' in recent memory, and it'll be useful to see exactly how this type of content performs.
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results to see if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're simply hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller viewports it begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
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Hello, I like it too, actually better than the earlier one. Looks good on the tablet; can be clicked away (the X seems to be a little fable). Kind regards, Ziko
Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net schrieb am Mi. 15. Nov. 2017 um 08:16:
The sidebar version is less offensive than the top banner on my widescreen desktop. The message and text sizing is also better in the sidebar version Cheers, Peter
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Hi all, it's Sam from the online fundraising team. I wanted to give you a heads up about a desktop banner we'd like to test before the official launch of our 'Big English' fundraising banner campaign on Tuesday, November 28.
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10&country=US&...
This banner would run against our current best desktop large banner; here's that link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple?banner=B1718_1101_en6C_dsk_p1_lg_templat...
Undoubtedly, it's an unusual format; that's why we felt it appropriate to give you a heads up :) We haven't tried a vertical 'banner on the side' in recent memory, and it'll be useful to see exactly how this type of content performs.
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results to see if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're simply hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller viewports it begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
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both are equally ugly, they should much more smaller, current banner should 1/10 or 1/8th of a page not half of it.
Mardetanha
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, I like it too, actually better than the earlier one. Looks good on the tablet; can be clicked away (the X seems to be a little fable). Kind regards, Ziko
Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net schrieb am Mi. 15. Nov. 2017 um 08:16:
The sidebar version is less offensive than the top banner on my
widescreen
desktop. The message and text sizing is also better in the sidebar
version
Cheers, Peter
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Hi all, it's Sam from the online fundraising team. I wanted to give you a heads up about a desktop banner we'd like to test before the official launch of our 'Big English' fundraising banner campaign on Tuesday, November 28.
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner:
right10&country=US&force=1
This banner would run against our current best desktop large banner; here's that link:
dsk_p1_lg_template&force=1&country=US
Undoubtedly, it's an unusual format; that's why we felt it appropriate to give you a heads up :) We haven't tried a vertical 'banner on the side'
in
recent memory, and it'll be useful to see exactly how this type of
content
performs.
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results to see if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're simply hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller
viewports
it begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will
be
more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
Sam _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Well, I'm not skilled in marketing, but maybe being ugly and annoyingly large is part of the "pay attention" driving force.
Regarding the format, as said I'm not sikilled in the domain, so my opinion surely doesn't worth much. The good old vertical banner is definitely simpler, so it might be a better way to catch initial attention, then once you clicked you will also have to make all the rest of the input, but you are already a bit engaged. On the other hand the more complete form say "hey you just fill this few fields, and you are done, there are no additional form pages hidden behind the next button". But really that just the thought of an ignorant on the matter. :)
Will you publish results of your tests somewhere? Maybe it would be an occasion to feed a bit some of our wiki on the topic. Here are some related links:
* https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Marketing * https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Marketing * https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/School:Business
Le 15/11/2017 à 09:34, Mardetanha a écrit :
both are equally ugly, they should much more smaller, current banner should 1/10 or 1/8th of a page not half of it.
Mardetanha
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, I like it too, actually better than the earlier one. Looks good on the tablet; can be clicked away (the X seems to be a little fable). Kind regards, Ziko
Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net schrieb am Mi. 15. Nov. 2017 um 08:16:
The sidebar version is less offensive than the top banner on my
widescreen
desktop. The message and text sizing is also better in the sidebar
version
Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Patton Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2017 12:13 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test
Hi all, it's Sam from the online fundraising team. I wanted to give you a heads up about a desktop banner we'd like to test before the official launch of our 'Big English' fundraising banner campaign on Tuesday, November 28.
TL;DR: A short test of a new banner concept will help us decide if it's worth iteration and improvement.
Here's a link to the banner:
right10&country=US&force=1
This banner would run against our current best desktop large banner; here's that link:
dsk_p1_lg_template&force=1&country=US
Undoubtedly, it's an unusual format; that's why we felt it appropriate to give you a heads up :) We haven't tried a vertical 'banner on the side'
in
recent memory, and it'll be useful to see exactly how this type of
content
performs.
This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd evaluate results to see if it's worth spending any more time on the concept. For now, we're simply hiding the banner all together below 920px, as at smaller
viewports
it begins to interfere with site navigation elements.
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will
be
more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
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Hi,
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Samuel Patton spatton@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
A slightly different aspect: Why does the banner show in Slovak for me (English Wikipedia with English as UI language, Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.7,cs;q=0.3) and where do the texts/translations come from? I tried to find them on TranslateWiki but failed. They do not seem to be at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/EDOI/browse/master/gateway_commo... either.
Thanks, -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]]
On 14 November 2017 at 22:12, Samuel Patton spatton@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will be more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
Covers up half the periodic table on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table?banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10&co...
In fact lets just face it this thing does not like tables:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_400mm_lens?banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10&a...
It overlaps longer equations (see around the Efficient methods section):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approximations_of_%CF%80?banner=dsk_p1_lg_righ...
I suspect it also breaks with lilypond but I don't have an example to hand
On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:35 AM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 November 2017 at 22:12, Samuel Patton spatton@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will
be
more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
Covers up half the periodic table on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table?banner=dsk_p1_ lg_right10&country=US&force=1
In fact lets just face it this thing does not like tables:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_400mm_lens?banner= dsk_p1_lg_right10&country=US&force=1
It overlaps longer equations (see around the Efficient methods section):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approximations_of_%CF%80? banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10&country=US&force=1
I suspect it also breaks with lilypond but I don't have an example to hand
It would be more accurate to say that it overlaps content that overflows the 'content' div, whatever the reason for the overflow. And it may lead to overflow in more situations, since it reduces the area available to the content div. The usual horizontal scrolling that happens for content that overflows the content div doesn't work right with the banner in place because the scrolling takes effect on the body element rather than the content div. Using the close button on the banner does seem to return these pages to the status quo.
I see the Timeless skin has a vaguely similar issue (without the banner). That skin does apply the horizontal scrolling to the content div, but the scrollbar is way at the bottom of the page instead of at the bottom of the screen.
I like it. Gets right to the point. However, the wording is weasely: e.g.- "averaging about $15". I would vote to have it say "$18" and omit the redunantly redundant weasely "averaging about", then put a button for $1.50, recurring monthly. That will hit the $18. I am not sure why y'alls say "averaging about $15" and then ask for $3. Ask for $18, broken down to $1.50 per month. Anybody can afford that without risk of maxing out their charge card. Having fun! Cheers! Wayne
On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) <bjorsch@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:35 AM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 November 2017 at 22:12, Samuel Patton spatton@wikimedia.org
wrote:
If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will
be
more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks promising enough to keep testing.
Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
Covers up half the periodic table on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table?banner=dsk_p1_ lg_right10&country=US&force=1
In fact lets just face it this thing does not like tables:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_400mm_lens?banner= dsk_p1_lg_right10&country=US&force=1
It overlaps longer equations (see around the Efficient methods section):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approximations_of_%CF%80? banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10&country=US&force=1
I suspect it also breaks with lilypond but I don't have an example to
hand
It would be more accurate to say that it overlaps content that overflows the 'content' div, whatever the reason for the overflow. And it may lead to overflow in more situations, since it reduces the area available to the content div. The usual horizontal scrolling that happens for content that overflows the content div doesn't work right with the banner in place because the scrolling takes effect on the body element rather than the content div. Using the close button on the banner does seem to return these pages to the status quo.
I see the Timeless skin has a vaguely similar issue (without the banner). That skin does apply the horizontal scrolling to the content div, but the scrollbar is way at the bottom of the page instead of at the bottom of the screen.
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