It is very sad to hear about Deror's passing. He was a wonderful person
that I am happy I got to know many years ago. I wish the world would not
have prevented us from meeting during the last years. My deep condolences
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With love,
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 13:32:57 +0100
From: Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation launches Open the
Knowledge Journalism Awards on World Press Freedom Day
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Dear Bobby, Shola and all,
You say, "We (Africans) were consulted".
According to Meta[1], the Working Group for these awards comprised four
English-speaking Wikimedians (at least two of whom are themselves
journalists) from Nigeria, Ghana, South Sudan and Kenya.
At the time of writing, the Meta page has been translated into German,
Italian and Korean only. That's an odd assortment of languages for a
pan-African award!
It doesn't create the impression that there was a signficant amount of
involvement by the large African communities speaking and writing in
French, Arabic, Portuguese, Swahili or Afrikaans, for example.
Another noteworthy aspect is that while Wikimedia staff are not eligible
for participation, African Wikimedia volunteers are. This could potentially
include members of the Working Group itself, as well as their friends and
colleagues from their local Wikimedia user groups.
The documentation says very little about how the winners will be
determined. All I found was this:
· *The Wikimedia Foundation (in collaboration with volunteer Wikimedia
editors), through its discretion, will use these nominations to help
identify journalists for this recognition.*
Could the team say a little more about how conflicts of interest will be
managed?
Also, I would second what The Cunctator said earlier: "It might help to
explicitly mention the awareness of these language issues in the public
presentation of this effort." Just saying that this is a first effort and
that other languages will be considered in future years would help a lot.
For example, you could commit to just having French next year, Arabic the
year after that, etc.
At the moment, the incongruity between the professed emphasis on
"diversity, equity and inclusion" and the restriction to English that
follows immediately after is very striking.
This said, I hope you get great entries and look forward to reading the
winning entries in due course.
Best,
Andreas
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_the_Knowledge_Journalism_Awards
On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 3:38 AM Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks for your email and concerns about
inclusion Andreas. We (Africans)
were consulted.
And thanks Shola for that response. The key word here is “Pilot”. Looking
forward to the results and impact of this project in future.
Best regards,
Bobby Shabangu
On Fri, 05 May 2023 at 18:45, Neurodivergent Netizen <
idoh.idreamofhorses(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I know there are cultures in the world that regard English as a litmus
> test with regards to whether or not you’re educated, and was wondering
if
> that added a layer of nuance to the
conversation. However, this changed
my
> mind:
>
>
> Q: My article is in French, Portuguese, Swahili, or any other language
>> that is not English. Can I submit a translated version?
>>
> A: This year’s awards are focused on articles published in English. We
> are *not accepting translated articles*.
>
>
> While I share Cunctators enthusiasm about the Working Group, the
decision
> to not accept even a translated article has
an exclusionary impact
> regardless of intent.
>
> From,
> Emily
> She/her
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 5, 2023, at 8:05 AM, The Cunctator <cunctator(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> While I share the concerns expressed, I'm personally enthusiastic about
> the thoughtfulness and initiative of the Working Group. It might help to
> explicitly mention the awareness of these language issues in the public
> presentation of this effort.
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2023, 10:45 AM Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lodewijk,
>>
>> In your reply to Olushola you said:
>>
>> "I hope you can perhaps also clarify whether 'in English' means that
the
>> original article has to be available in
English, or that some
translation
>> should be available in English."
>>
>> As Shola hasn't provided any clarification on this, note that the
FAQ[1]
>> for the award states:
>>
>> Q: My article is in French, Portuguese, Swahili, or any other language
>> that is not English. Can I submit a translated version?
>> A: This year’s awards are focused on articles published in English. We
>> are *not accepting translated articles*.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> [1]
>>
https://wikimediafoundation.org/our-work/open-the-knowledge/journalism-awar…
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023, effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Olushola,
>> > thanks for working on efforts like this. I think it's definitely our
>> African communities that should be the judge of what shape works best
for
>> an award like this. Out of curiosity, as
a way for us all to learn and
>> maybe for Africans among us who want to participate in this
conversation
>> that you refer to, could you link to
where this
conversation/consultation
>> is happening?
>> > I hope you can perhaps also clarify whether 'in English' means that
>> the original article has to be available in English, or that some
>> translation should be available in English. I think the former would be
>> much more restrictive than the latter, especially if some translation
>> resources (including community resources) are available.
>> > Best,
>> > Lodewijk
>> > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:48 PM Olushola Olaniyan <
>> olaniyanshola15(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> My name is Olushola (User: Olaniyan Olushola). I am from Africa and
>> have been a Wikimedia since 2014 and passionate about language. I
co-lead
>> the Oral History documentation of
Nigerian indigenous languages ( see
more
>> about it here ). I am part and parcel of
the working group for this
>> Journalism Award. Together with other community members and some
foundation
>> staff, we have co-created the submission
guidelines and award criteria,
>> including that articles should be English language articles published
in
a
>> major outlet.
>> >>
>> >> Everything regarding the rationale for this award is being done in
>> consultation with members of our African communities, aligned with our
>> goals to increase exposure for the work we love in the region and close
>> knowledge gaps.
>> >>
>> >> One thing to mention is that articles about Africa, especially
>> written by journalists with a local perspective, must be better
represented
>> in our language Wikipedias, including
English.
>> >>
>> >> With this being a brand-new initiative, it was the best time to
>> learn.
>> >>
>> >> It is a pilot, and we all see this as an experiment to draw more
>> attention to journalists' important role as content creators on
Wikipedia.
>> >>
>> >> You will agree that we need to celebrate existing journalism
>> excellence that helps fill knowledge gaps online.
>> >>
>> >> The working group conferred, and since this is a pilot, we decided
>> together that it was a good idea to consider the need to limit the
scope
to
>> collect data and insights easily. We
understand the sentiment behind
>> language in Africa and beyond, and we always wanted to keep everything
>> simple. We know that no language is superior to the other, so this is a
>> pilot. From here, we will likely assess the impact we can have before
>> scaling.
>> >>
>> >> We wish to expand this initiative with more regional volunteers
>> should it succeed - and we hope it will.
>> >>
>> >> We already have more than a hundred entries!
>> >>
>> >> Thank you
>> >>
>> >> Shola
>> >>
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