It is very sad to hear about Deror's passing. He was a wonderful person that I am happy I got to know many years ago. I wish the world would not have prevented us from meeting during the last years. My deep condolences to his family, friends and colleagues.

With love,

John

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Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 13:32:57 +0100
From: Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation launches Open the
        Knowledge Journalism Awards on World Press Freedom Day
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Dear Bobby, Shola and all,

You say, "We (Africans) were consulted".

According to Meta[1], the Working Group for these awards comprised four
English-speaking Wikimedians (at least two of whom are themselves
journalists) from Nigeria, Ghana, South Sudan and Kenya.

At the time of writing, the Meta page has been translated into German,
Italian and Korean only. That's an odd assortment of languages for a
pan-African award!

It doesn't create the impression that there was a signficant amount of
involvement by the large African communities speaking and writing in
French, Arabic, Portuguese, Swahili or Afrikaans, for example.

Another noteworthy aspect is that while Wikimedia staff are not eligible
for participation, African Wikimedia volunteers are. This could potentially
include members of the Working Group itself, as well as their friends and
colleagues from their local Wikimedia user groups.

The documentation says very little about how the winners will be
determined. All I found was this:

· *The Wikimedia Foundation (in collaboration with volunteer Wikimedia
editors), through its discretion, will use these nominations to help
identify journalists for this recognition.*

Could the team say a little more about how conflicts of interest will be
managed?

Also, I would second what The Cunctator said earlier: "It might help to
explicitly mention the awareness of these language issues in the public
presentation of this effort." Just saying that this is a first effort and
that other languages will be considered in future years would help a lot.

For example, you could commit to just having French next year, Arabic the
year after that, etc.

At the moment, the incongruity between the professed emphasis on
"diversity, equity and inclusion" and the restriction to English that
follows immediately after is very striking.

This said, I hope you get great entries and look forward to reading the
winning entries in due course.

Best,
Andreas

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_the_Knowledge_Journalism_Awards

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 3:38 AM Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for your email and concerns about inclusion Andreas. We (Africans)
> were consulted.
>
> And thanks Shola for that response. The key word here is “Pilot”. Looking
> forward to the results and impact of this project in future.
>
> Best regards,
> Bobby Shabangu
>
> On Fri, 05 May 2023 at 18:45, Neurodivergent Netizen <
> idoh.idreamofhorses@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know there are cultures in the world that regard English as a litmus
>> test with regards to whether or not you’re educated, and was wondering if
>> that added a layer of nuance to the conversation. However, this changed my
>> mind:
>>
>>
>> Q: My article is in French, Portuguese, Swahili, or any other language
>>> that is not English. Can I submit a translated version?
>>>
>> A: This year’s awards are focused on articles published in English. We
>> are *not accepting translated articles*.
>>
>>
>> While I share Cunctators enthusiasm about the Working Group, the decision
>> to not accept even a translated article has an exclusionary impact
>> regardless of intent.
>>
>> From,
>> Emily
>> She/her
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 5, 2023, at 8:05 AM, The Cunctator <cunctator@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> While I share the concerns expressed, I'm personally enthusiastic about
>> the thoughtfulness and initiative of the Working Group. It might help to
>> explicitly mention the awareness of these language issues in the public
>> presentation of this effort.
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2023, 10:45 AM Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lodewijk,
>>>
>>> In your reply to Olushola you said:
>>>
>>> "I hope you can perhaps also clarify whether 'in English' means that the
>>> original article has to be available in English, or that some translation
>>> should be available in English."
>>>
>>> As Shola hasn't provided any clarification on this, note that the FAQ[1]
>>> for the award states:
>>>
>>> Q: My article is in French, Portuguese, Swahili, or any other language
>>> that is not English. Can I submit a translated version?
>>> A: This year’s awards are focused on articles published in English. We
>>> are *not accepting translated articles*.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/our-work/open-the-knowledge/journalism-awards/#a5-frequently-asked-questions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi Olushola,
>>> > thanks for working on efforts like this. I think it's definitely our
>>> African communities that should be the judge of what shape works best for
>>> an award like this. Out of curiosity, as a way for us all to learn and
>>> maybe for Africans among us who want to participate in this conversation
>>> that you refer to, could you link to where this conversation/consultation
>>> is happening?
>>> > I hope you can perhaps also clarify whether 'in English' means that
>>> the original article has to be available in English, or that some
>>> translation should be available in English. I think the former would be
>>> much more restrictive than the latter, especially if some translation
>>> resources (including community resources) are available.
>>> > Best,
>>> > Lodewijk
>>> > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:48 PM Olushola Olaniyan <
>>> olaniyanshola15@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear all,
>>> >>
>>> >> My name is Olushola (User: Olaniyan Olushola). I am from Africa and
>>> have been a Wikimedia since 2014 and passionate about language. I co-lead
>>> the Oral History documentation of Nigerian indigenous languages ( see more
>>> about it here ). I am part and parcel of the working group for this
>>> Journalism Award. Together with other community members and some foundation
>>> staff, we have co-created the submission guidelines and award criteria,
>>> including that articles should be English language articles published in a
>>> major outlet.
>>> >>
>>> >> Everything regarding the rationale for this award is being done in
>>> consultation with members of our African communities, aligned with our
>>> goals to increase exposure for the work we love in the region and close
>>> knowledge gaps.
>>> >>
>>> >> One thing to mention is that articles about Africa, especially
>>> written by journalists with a local perspective, must be better represented
>>> in our language Wikipedias, including English.
>>> >>
>>> >> With this being a brand-new initiative, it was the best time to
>>> learn.
>>> >>
>>> >> It is a pilot, and we all see this as an experiment to draw more
>>> attention to journalists' important role as content creators on Wikipedia.
>>> >>
>>> >> You will agree that we need to celebrate existing journalism
>>> excellence that helps fill knowledge gaps online.
>>> >>
>>> >> The working group conferred, and since this is a pilot, we decided
>>> together that it was a good idea to consider the need to limit the scope to
>>> collect data and insights easily. We understand the sentiment behind
>>> language in Africa and beyond, and we always wanted to keep everything
>>> simple. We know that no language is superior to the other, so this is a
>>> pilot. From here, we will likely assess the impact we can have before
>>> scaling.
>>> >>
>>> >> We wish to expand this initiative with more regional volunteers
>>> should it succeed - and we hope it will.
>>> >>
>>> >> We already have more than a hundred entries!
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you
>>> >>
>>> >> Shola
>>> >>
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 18:22:31 +0530
From: pavan santhosh <pavansanthosh.s@gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Deror Lin passed away
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So sad to know. My condolences to the community and the family. For the
work he has done, he will be remembered forever.

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 4:29 PM itzik Edri <itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> I'm sorry to update that our friend and colleague Deror Lin
> (user:Deror_Avi) passed away this morning.
>
> Deror was a truly Wikimedian in blood who poured his heart and soul into
> the movement in many ways, even in his final days. He joined Wikipedia in
> 2004 and was one of the founders of Wikimedia Israel. For over 16 years, he
> served as an active board member.
>
> He was the driving force behind Wikimania 2011 in Haifa and a key member
> of the Wikimania committee ever since. He led countless programs and
> projects, both locally and internationally, including conferences, WLM
> competitions, educational programs, photo and editing contests, and many
> others.
>
> More than that, he wrote over 8,600 articles on HEWP (comprising more than
> 2% of it!), making him the number one article writer in HEWP, alongside
> more than 37,000 contributions to Commons.
>
> For his huge contribution and love for the movement, he was honored last
> year as the Wikipedia Laureate of 2022.
>
> Deror, you were not just a colleague but a true friend. We worked together
> on many projects, events, and initiatives over the years. No matter the
> situation, you always had a smile and shining eyes with your love for
> Wikipedia.
>
> *On behalf of Wikimedia Israel, I extend our deepest condolences to
> Deror's family and friends. You will always be remembered, Deror.*
> *ברוך דיין האמת. Baruch dayan ha-emet*
>
>
> Itzik.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 15:07:15 +0200
From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu@gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation launches Open the
        Knowledge Journalism Awards on World Press Freedom Day
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These are interesting viewpoints indeed.

I think the connection between these awards and Wikipedia (especially in
the African continent) is clearly stated in the article. In fact, if it was
me who was writing this press release I would have started that sentence
with:

   - Most African Wikipedians struggle with adding content on the
   English/French Wikipedia because of lack of reliable references, and " *the
   awards recognise the essential role journalists play in creating
   well-researched articles that volunteer editors use as source materials to
   develop content on Wikipedia....*"

Colleagues, you will agree with me that there's no one size fits all
solution to fix our problems. We exist in a dynamic community where
something that was perfectly fine a few years ago may not work today. I
personally participated in the development of the MS2030 but I was also
fully aware that the recommendations of the MS2030 are not a silver bullet
or a formula to solve all our problems in the movement. It is our
collective thinking that by implementing the recommendations, our movement
will be in a better strategic position by year 2030 to address the issues
stated in the MS2030.

Now does that mean we should say NO to a pilot project that the WMF
consulted us to try out help close the knowledge gaps in Africa because
it's not part of the MS2030 which is our silver bullet to solving all our
problems? I don't know you tell me colleagues.

Best regards,
Bobby Shabangu



On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 11:08, Mrb Rafi <mrbrafi1971@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 to Paul.
> I was thinking of the same thing but was confused about how to put it.
> Many individuals from underrepresented communities, including myself, often
> feel hesitant to contribute to global-level conversations in a meaningful
> way and raise their concerns.
>
> The connection between Wikimedia and this initiative is too weak. While
> cost is not the primary concern, the potential impact on Wikimedia is
> significant for any Wikimedia initiative.
> I am not trying to discourage our fellow Wikimedians from Africa in any
> way. On the contrary, I have witnessed firsthand the incredible work they
> are doing despite facing numerous obstacles, and their contributions often
> go unrecognized.
>
> This is undoubtedly a good initiative that serves the local African
> community. But how does this serve Wikimedia? How do we measure the direct
> impact of this initiative on Wikimedia? How is it aligned with MS2030?
> I am also slightly uncomfortable with the fact that the volunteer
> organizers are not recognized in any visible place. They deserve proper
> acknowledgment.
>
> From a broader perspective, there's something strange happening in the
> movement. I fear that the focus is being shifted from community relations
> and support to somewhere else. In the annual planning community
> conversation, I expressed my concerns about the apparent reduction in
> direct professional support from the Foundation for the communities.
> Instead, it appears that the focus is shifting towards self-organized
> initiatives, which will never be effective for underrepresented
> communities. We require direct professional support from the Foundation,
> which has been provided quietly but effectively in recent years. Wikimedia
> communities need professional support from the foundation that empowers
> them from the core and creates the capacity to work more independently.
>
> The foundation possesses all the linguistic expertise and the required
> in-depth, unique, and specialized knowledge of the local Wikimedia
> community dynamics to align this initiative with MS2030 and enhance its
> direct impact on the movement. But for some strange reason, they're not
> doing that—not only for this initiative but almost everywhere; they're
> instead fully destroying that capacity themselves through the recent
> layoffs (probably). The radical changes may have a very negative long-term
> impact on communities, specially the underrepresented ones.
>
> I'm not sure, but I'm having the feeling that ideas like DEI and MS2030
> are being misinterpreted to justify a lot of things that don't necessarily
> serve DEI or MS2030 in the movement. Even I had the feeling that the draft
> annual plan was just MS2030-washed without any visible impact. I've always
> supported the foundation and its staff in any of their meaningful
> contributions with all my enthusiasm and knowledge as a volunteer, but for
> the last few days, I've been hesitating.
> I want everyone, including the foundation, to work in such a way that it
> creates capacity in the local communities and, at the same time, serves our
> goals as a movement.
>
> Best,
> Rafi
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 9:58 AM Paul J. Weiss <libcub@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To me, this award is reaching well beyond the scope of what the Wikimedia
>> community should be doing. It does not, to me, align with our Movement
>> Strategy's recommendations
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations> nor
>> their initiatives
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Initiatives>, nor the WMF
>> 2023-2024 Annual Plan
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024>.
>> Just because something might be positive for the world or our community
>> does not mean we should do such. As a gay man, I appreciate all the
>> literature awards for LGBT+ books, but I would not support such an award
>> from the WMF or the community. Where would this stop? Is it in scope for us
>> to give an award for scientific research? Social justice activism?
>> Translation software? These could all be beneficial to our community, but I
>> don't think it would be appropriate for us to take on those endeavors.
>>
>> In addition I am concerned this award will have negative effects on our
>> fundraising. I would expect that some donors, if they found out we are
>> awarding $3,500 to journalists in no way connected to our wikis, might be
>> less likely to donate. I think this kind of thing has happened to other
>> non-profits.
>>
>> We are stretched too thin enough already. I believe that we should stick
>> to our core activities, which stem from the documents linked to above.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul
>> User:Libcub
>>
>> On 2023-05-04 1:47 PM, Olushola Olaniyan wrote:
>>
>>
>> *Dear all, *
>>
>>
>> *My name is Olushola (User: Olaniyan Olushola). I am from Africa and have
>> been a Wikimedia since 2014 and passionate about language. I co-lead the
>> Oral History documentation of Nigerian indigenous languages ( see more
>> about it **here*
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Language_Oral_History_Documentation_Project/Gallery>
>> * ). *I am part and parcel of the working group for this Journalism
>> Award. Together with other community members and some foundation staff, we
>> have co-created the submission guidelines and award criteria, including
>> that articles should be English language articles published in a major
>> outlet.
>>
>>
>> Everything regarding the rationale for this award is being done in
>> consultation with members of our African communities, aligned with our
>> goals to increase exposure for the work we love in the region and close
>> knowledge gaps.
>>
>>
>> One thing to mention is that articles about Africa, especially written by
>> journalists with a local perspective, must be better represented in our
>> language Wikipedias, including English.
>>
>>
>> With this being a brand-new initiative, it was the best time to learn.
>>
>>
>> It is a pilot, and we all see this as an experiment to draw more
>> attention to journalists' important role as content creators on Wikipedia.
>>
>>
>> You will agree that we need to celebrate existing journalism excellence
>> that helps fill knowledge gaps online.
>>
>>
>> The working group conferred, and since this is a pilot, we decided
>> together that it was a good idea to consider the need to limit the scope to
>> collect data and insights easily. We understand the sentiment behind
>> language in Africa and beyond, and we always wanted to keep everything
>> simple. We know that no language is superior to the other, so this is a
>> pilot. From here, we will likely assess the impact we can have before
>> scaling.
>>
>>
>> We wish to expand this initiative with more regional volunteers should it
>> succeed - and we hope it will.
>>
>>
>> We already have more than a hundred entries!
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Shola
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 15:20:29 +0200
From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu@gmail.com>
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Sad news to read! sincere condolences to the family and friends.

On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 14:53, pavan santhosh <pavansanthosh.s@gmail.com>
wrote:

> So sad to know. My condolences to the community and the family. For the
> work he has done, he will be remembered forever.
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 4:29 PM itzik Edri <itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> I'm sorry to update that our friend and colleague Deror Lin
>> (user:Deror_Avi) passed away this morning.
>>
>> Deror was a truly Wikimedian in blood who poured his heart and soul into
>> the movement in many ways, even in his final days. He joined Wikipedia in
>> 2004 and was one of the founders of Wikimedia Israel. For over 16 years, he
>> served as an active board member.
>>
>> He was the driving force behind Wikimania 2011 in Haifa and a key member
>> of the Wikimania committee ever since. He led countless programs and
>> projects, both locally and internationally, including conferences, WLM
>> competitions, educational programs, photo and editing contests, and many
>> others.
>>
>> More than that, he wrote over 8,600 articles on HEWP (comprising more
>> than 2% of it!), making him the number one article writer in HEWP,
>> alongside more than 37,000 contributions to Commons.
>>
>> For his huge contribution and love for the movement, he was honored last
>> year as the Wikipedia Laureate of 2022.
>>
>> Deror, you were not just a colleague but a true friend. We worked
>> together on many projects, events, and initiatives over the years. No
>> matter the situation, you always had a smile and shining eyes with your
>> love for Wikipedia.
>>
>> *On behalf of Wikimedia Israel, I extend our deepest condolences to
>> Deror's family and friends. You will always be remembered, Deror.*
>> *ברוך דיין האמת. Baruch dayan ha-emet*
>>
>>
>> Itzik.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 21:54:06 +0800
From: Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Deror Lin passed away
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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Nyoorn

My condolences to Deror, family and Wikimedia Israel. He was a wonderful
person who welcomed everyone, Rest Peacefully.

On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 21:21, Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sad news to read! sincere condolences to the family and friends.
>
> On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 14:53, pavan santhosh <pavansanthosh.s@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So sad to know. My condolences to the community and the family. For the
>> work he has done, he will be remembered forever.
>>
>> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 4:29 PM itzik Edri <itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to update that our friend and colleague Deror Lin
>>> (user:Deror_Avi) passed away this morning.
>>>
>>> Deror was a truly Wikimedian in blood who poured his heart and soul into
>>> the movement in many ways, even in his final days. He joined Wikipedia in
>>> 2004 and was one of the founders of Wikimedia Israel. For over 16 years, he
>>> served as an active board member.
>>>
>>> He was the driving force behind Wikimania 2011 in Haifa and a key member
>>> of the Wikimania committee ever since. He led countless programs and
>>> projects, both locally and internationally, including conferences, WLM
>>> competitions, educational programs, photo and editing contests, and many
>>> others.
>>>
>>> More than that, he wrote over 8,600 articles on HEWP (comprising more
>>> than 2% of it!), making him the number one article writer in HEWP,
>>> alongside more than 37,000 contributions to Commons.
>>>
>>> For his huge contribution and love for the movement, he was honored last
>>> year as the Wikipedia Laureate of 2022.
>>>
>>> Deror, you were not just a colleague but a true friend. We worked
>>> together on many projects, events, and initiatives over the years. No
>>> matter the situation, you always had a smile and shining eyes with your
>>> love for Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> *On behalf of Wikimedia Israel, I extend our deepest condolences to
>>> Deror's family and friends. You will always be remembered, Deror.*
>>> *ברוך דיין האמת. Baruch dayan ha-emet*
>>>
>>>
>>> Itzik.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
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>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pavan Santhosh.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 16:03:25 +0200
From: Ndahiro Derrick Alter <ndahiroderric@gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Deror Lin passed away
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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Oh it is such a loss to his family , the Hebrew community and the entire
Wikimedia community,
May his soul Rest In Peace


On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 15:54 Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nyoorn
>
> My condolences to Deror, family and Wikimedia Israel. He was a wonderful
> person who welcomed everyone, Rest Peacefully.
>
> On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 21:21, Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sad news to read! sincere condolences to the family and friends.
>>
>> On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 14:53, pavan santhosh <pavansanthosh.s@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So sad to know. My condolences to the community and the family. For the
>>> work he has done, he will be remembered forever.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 4:29 PM itzik Edri <itzik@wikimedia.org.il>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry to update that our friend and colleague Deror Lin
>>>> (user:Deror_Avi) passed away this morning.
>>>>
>>>> Deror was a truly Wikimedian in blood who poured his heart and soul
>>>> into the movement in many ways, even in his final days. He joined Wikipedia
>>>> in 2004 and was one of the founders of Wikimedia Israel. For over 16 years,
>>>> he served as an active board member.
>>>>
>>>> He was the driving force behind Wikimania 2011 in Haifa and a key
>>>> member of the Wikimania committee ever since. He led countless programs and
>>>> projects, both locally and internationally, including conferences, WLM
>>>> competitions, educational programs, photo and editing contests, and many
>>>> others.
>>>>
>>>> More than that, he wrote over 8,600 articles on HEWP (comprising more
>>>> than 2% of it!), making him the number one article writer in HEWP,
>>>> alongside more than 37,000 contributions to Commons.
>>>>
>>>> For his huge contribution and love for the movement, he was honored
>>>> last year as the Wikipedia Laureate of 2022.
>>>>
>>>> Deror, you were not just a colleague but a true friend. We worked
>>>> together on many projects, events, and initiatives over the years. No
>>>> matter the situation, you always had a smile and shining eyes with your
>>>> love for Wikipedia.
>>>>
>>>> *On behalf of Wikimedia Israel, I extend our deepest condolences to
>>>> Deror's family and friends. You will always be remembered, Deror.*
>>>> *ברוך דיין האמת. Baruch dayan ha-emet*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Itzik.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org,
>>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
>>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
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>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pavan Santhosh.
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>
>
> --
> Boodarwun
> Gnangarra
> 'ngany dabakarn koorliny arn boodjera dardoon ngalang Nyungar
> koortaboodjar'
>
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 16:51:29 +0200
From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu@gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation launches Open the
        Knowledge Journalism Awards on World Press Freedom Day
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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And by the way Andreas, I know you are very detailed oriented. We were
consulted about this pilot in South Africa. I was also ask to bring this up
at WikiIndaba Steering Committee (WISCom
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Indaba_Steering_Committee>) hence you
see winners are going to be announced at the WikiIndaba conference in
Morocco, and results and potential impact of this pilot (including the
language issue) are further going to be discussed there. I see from this
email thread that Derrick and Euphemia were also consulted too,  but I see
that only the working group were added there. What I'm sure about is that
there's a whole lot of ground work that went into this. Maybe to inform the
WMF staff to add the list of all Africans who were consulted. (I need to
note that some members of our community may not agree to be published there
now that this issue has come to Wikimedia Mailing List because they
view this platform as a toxic place).

Which brings me to my request which is somewhat linked to this issue.

If you are an admin, steward  or sysop in the English, French or Arabic
language Wikipedia, kindly reach out to me. We would like to have as many
admins as possible from these languages at WikiIndaba so that we can learn
from you.

Best,
Bobby Shabangu


On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 15:07, Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu@gmail.com> wrote:

> These are interesting viewpoints indeed.
>
> I think the connection between these awards and Wikipedia (especially in
> the African continent) is clearly stated in the article. In fact, if it was
> me who was writing this press release I would have started that sentence
> with:
>
>    - Most African Wikipedians struggle with adding content on the
>    English/French Wikipedia because of lack of reliable references, and " *the
>    awards recognise the essential role journalists play in creating
>    well-researched articles that volunteer editors use as source materials to
>    develop content on Wikipedia....*"
>
> Colleagues, you will agree with me that there's no one size fits all
> solution to fix our problems. We exist in a dynamic community where
> something that was perfectly fine a few years ago may not work today. I
> personally participated in the development of the MS2030 but I was also
> fully aware that the recommendations of the MS2030 are not a silver bullet
> or a formula to solve all our problems in the movement. It is our
> collective thinking that by implementing the recommendations, our movement
> will be in a better strategic position by year 2030 to address the issues
> stated in the MS2030.
>
> Now does that mean we should say NO to a pilot project that the WMF
> consulted us to try out help close the knowledge gaps in Africa because
> it's not part of the MS2030 which is our silver bullet to solving all our
> problems? I don't know you tell me colleagues.
>
> Best regards,
> Bobby Shabangu
>
>
>
> On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 11:08, Mrb Rafi <mrbrafi1971@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 to Paul.
>> I was thinking of the same thing but was confused about how to put it.
>> Many individuals from underrepresented communities, including myself, often
>> feel hesitant to contribute to global-level conversations in a meaningful
>> way and raise their concerns.
>>
>> The connection between Wikimedia and this initiative is too weak. While
>> cost is not the primary concern, the potential impact on Wikimedia is
>> significant for any Wikimedia initiative.
>> I am not trying to discourage our fellow Wikimedians from Africa in any
>> way. On the contrary, I have witnessed firsthand the incredible work they
>> are doing despite facing numerous obstacles, and their contributions often
>> go unrecognized.
>>
>> This is undoubtedly a good initiative that serves the local African
>> community. But how does this serve Wikimedia? How do we measure the direct
>> impact of this initiative on Wikimedia? How is it aligned with MS2030?
>> I am also slightly uncomfortable with the fact that the volunteer
>> organizers are not recognized in any visible place. They deserve proper
>> acknowledgment.
>>
>> From a broader perspective, there's something strange happening in the
>> movement. I fear that the focus is being shifted from community relations
>> and support to somewhere else. In the annual planning community
>> conversation, I expressed my concerns about the apparent reduction in
>> direct professional support from the Foundation for the communities.
>> Instead, it appears that the focus is shifting towards self-organized
>> initiatives, which will never be effective for underrepresented
>> communities. We require direct professional support from the Foundation,
>> which has been provided quietly but effectively in recent years. Wikimedia
>> communities need professional support from the foundation that empowers
>> them from the core and creates the capacity to work more independently.
>>
>> The foundation possesses all the linguistic expertise and the required
>> in-depth, unique, and specialized knowledge of the local Wikimedia
>> community dynamics to align this initiative with MS2030 and enhance its
>> direct impact on the movement. But for some strange reason, they're not
>> doing that—not only for this initiative but almost everywhere; they're
>> instead fully destroying that capacity themselves through the recent
>> layoffs (probably). The radical changes may have a very negative long-term
>> impact on communities, specially the underrepresented ones.
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I'm having the feeling that ideas like DEI and MS2030
>> are being misinterpreted to justify a lot of things that don't necessarily
>> serve DEI or MS2030 in the movement. Even I had the feeling that the draft
>> annual plan was just MS2030-washed without any visible impact. I've always
>> supported the foundation and its staff in any of their meaningful
>> contributions with all my enthusiasm and knowledge as a volunteer, but for
>> the last few days, I've been hesitating.
>> I want everyone, including the foundation, to work in such a way that it
>> creates capacity in the local communities and, at the same time, serves our
>> goals as a movement.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rafi
>>
>> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 9:58 AM Paul J. Weiss <libcub@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To me, this award is reaching well beyond the scope of what the
>>> Wikimedia community should be doing. It does not, to me, align with our
>>> Movement Strategy's recommendations
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations> nor
>>> their initiatives
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Initiatives>, nor
>>> the WMF 2023-2024 Annual Plan
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024>.
>>> Just because something might be positive for the world or our community
>>> does not mean we should do such. As a gay man, I appreciate all the
>>> literature awards for LGBT+ books, but I would not support such an award
>>> from the WMF or the community. Where would this stop? Is it in scope for us
>>> to give an award for scientific research? Social justice activism?
>>> Translation software? These could all be beneficial to our community, but I
>>> don't think it would be appropriate for us to take on those endeavors.
>>>
>>> In addition I am concerned this award will have negative effects on our
>>> fundraising. I would expect that some donors, if they found out we are
>>> awarding $3,500 to journalists in no way connected to our wikis, might be
>>> less likely to donate. I think this kind of thing has happened to other
>>> non-profits.
>>>
>>> We are stretched too thin enough already. I believe that we should stick
>>> to our core activities, which stem from the documents linked to above.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Paul
>>> User:Libcub
>>>
>>> On 2023-05-04 1:47 PM, Olushola Olaniyan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dear all, *
>>>
>>>
>>> *My name is Olushola (User: Olaniyan Olushola). I am from Africa and
>>> have been a Wikimedia since 2014 and passionate about language. I co-lead
>>> the Oral History documentation of Nigerian indigenous languages ( see more
>>> about it **here*
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Language_Oral_History_Documentation_Project/Gallery>
>>> * ). *I am part and parcel of the working group for this Journalism
>>> Award. Together with other community members and some foundation staff, we
>>> have co-created the submission guidelines and award criteria, including
>>> that articles should be English language articles published in a major
>>> outlet.
>>>
>>>
>>> Everything regarding the rationale for this award is being done in
>>> consultation with members of our African communities, aligned with our
>>> goals to increase exposure for the work we love in the region and close
>>> knowledge gaps.
>>>
>>>
>>> One thing to mention is that articles about Africa, especially written
>>> by journalists with a local perspective, must be better represented in our
>>> language Wikipedias, including English.
>>>
>>>
>>> With this being a brand-new initiative, it was the best time to learn.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is a pilot, and we all see this as an experiment to draw more
>>> attention to journalists' important role as content creators on Wikipedia.
>>>
>>>
>>> You will agree that we need to celebrate existing journalism excellence
>>> that helps fill knowledge gaps online.
>>>
>>>
>>> The working group conferred, and since this is a pilot, we decided
>>> together that it was a good idea to consider the need to limit the scope to
>>> collect data and insights easily. We understand the sentiment behind
>>> language in Africa and beyond, and we always wanted to keep everything
>>> simple. We know that no language is superior to the other, so this is a
>>> pilot. From here, we will likely assess the impact we can have before
>>> scaling.
>>>
>>>
>>> We wish to expand this initiative with more regional volunteers should
>>> it succeed - and we hope it will.
>>>
>>>
>>> We already have more than a hundred entries!
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Shola
>>>
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 11:52:22 -0400
From: The Cunctator <cunctator@gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation launches Open the
        Knowledge Journalism Awards on World Press Freedom Day
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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I am personally fully in support of Wikimedia supporting journalism, fwiw.

On Sat, May 6, 2023, 9:08 AM Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshabangu@gmail.com> wrote:

> These are interesting viewpoints indeed.
>
> I think the connection between these awards and Wikipedia (especially in
> the African continent) is clearly stated in the article. In fact, if it was
> me who was writing this press release I would have started that sentence
> with:
>
>    - Most African Wikipedians struggle with adding content on the
>    English/French Wikipedia because of lack of reliable references, and " *the
>    awards recognise the essential role journalists play in creating
>    well-researched articles that volunteer editors use as source materials to
>    develop content on Wikipedia....*"
>
> Colleagues, you will agree with me that there's no one size fits all
> solution to fix our problems. We exist in a dynamic community where
> something that was perfectly fine a few years ago may not work today. I
> personally participated in the development of the MS2030 but I was also
> fully aware that the recommendations of the MS2030 are not a silver bullet
> or a formula to solve all our problems in the movement. It is our
> collective thinking that by implementing the recommendations, our movement
> will be in a better strategic position by year 2030 to address the issues
> stated in the MS2030.
>
> Now does that mean we should say NO to a pilot project that the WMF
> consulted us to try out help close the knowledge gaps in Africa because
> it's not part of the MS2030 which is our silver bullet to solving all our
> problems? I don't know you tell me colleagues.
>
> Best regards,
> Bobby Shabangu
>
>
>
> On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 11:08, Mrb Rafi <mrbrafi1971@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 to Paul.
>> I was thinking of the same thing but was confused about how to put it.
>> Many individuals from underrepresented communities, including myself, often
>> feel hesitant to contribute to global-level conversations in a meaningful
>> way and raise their concerns.
>>
>> The connection between Wikimedia and this initiative is too weak. While
>> cost is not the primary concern, the potential impact on Wikimedia is
>> significant for any Wikimedia initiative.
>> I am not trying to discourage our fellow Wikimedians from Africa in any
>> way. On the contrary, I have witnessed firsthand the incredible work they
>> are doing despite facing numerous obstacles, and their contributions often
>> go unrecognized.
>>
>> This is undoubtedly a good initiative that serves the local African
>> community. But how does this serve Wikimedia? How do we measure the direct
>> impact of this initiative on Wikimedia? How is it aligned with MS2030?
>> I am also slightly uncomfortable with the fact that the volunteer
>> organizers are not recognized in any visible place. They deserve proper
>> acknowledgment.
>>
>> From a broader perspective, there's something strange happening in the
>> movement. I fear that the focus is being shifted from community relations
>> and support to somewhere else. In the annual planning community
>> conversation, I expressed my concerns about the apparent reduction in
>> direct professional support from the Foundation for the communities.
>> Instead, it appears that the focus is shifting towards self-organized
>> initiatives, which will never be effective for underrepresented
>> communities. We require direct professional support from the Foundation,
>> which has been provided quietly but effectively in recent years. Wikimedia
>> communities need professional support from the foundation that empowers
>> them from the core and creates the capacity to work more independently.
>>
>> The foundation possesses all the linguistic expertise and the required
>> in-depth, unique, and specialized knowledge of the local Wikimedia
>> community dynamics to align this initiative with MS2030 and enhance its
>> direct impact on the movement. But for some strange reason, they're not
>> doing that—not only for this initiative but almost everywhere; they're
>> instead fully destroying that capacity themselves through the recent
>> layoffs (probably). The radical changes may have a very negative long-term
>> impact on communities, specially the underrepresented ones.
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I'm having the feeling that ideas like DEI and MS2030
>> are being misinterpreted to justify a lot of things that don't necessarily
>> serve DEI or MS2030 in the movement. Even I had the feeling that the draft
>> annual plan was just MS2030-washed without any visible impact. I've always
>> supported the foundation and its staff in any of their meaningful
>> contributions with all my enthusiasm and knowledge as a volunteer, but for
>> the last few days, I've been hesitating.
>> I want everyone, including the foundation, to work in such a way that it
>> creates capacity in the local communities and, at the same time, serves our
>> goals as a movement.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rafi
>>
>> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 9:58 AM Paul J. Weiss <libcub@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To me, this award is reaching well beyond the scope of what the
>>> Wikimedia community should be doing. It does not, to me, align with our
>>> Movement Strategy's recommendations
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations> nor
>>> their initiatives
>>> <