Hi everyone,
we had articles in Germany published connecting the activities of Wikimedia Enterprise with our licensing advocacy. Please find below the article of a filmmaker, published last week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of the large German newspapers. Below you find our response, published this week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. I hope this is useful for further debates.
Kind regards Christian
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*Wikimedia perverts the common good* https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/wikimedia-plant-die-kommerzialisierung-ihrer-inhalte-17736141.html
*Wikimedia plans to commercialize its content. At the same time, the organization is lobbying hard to get its hands on high-quality free content from public broadcasters. This is ruining the filmmakers*.
The Wikipedia information platform has so far been financed by donations from Silicon Valley tech giants, among others. These include primarily the market-dominating Internet giants such as Google, Facebook, Apple et cetera, all of which earn money through traffic with content from Wikipedia. In specialist circles, these donations are regarded as a reciprocal business: Donors and Wikipedia profit from each other.
Wikimedia is the operating organization behind Wikipedia, but it has long been looking for a stable business model to finance itself. In the spring of 2021, Wikimedia finally announced that it would build a corporate interface that would simplify the automated use of Wikipedia content and for which commercial companies would pay. In other words: money is to be made with the content on Wikipedia. For example, with services such as the voice assistants Siri https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/siri or Alexa, which access content via Wikipedia. The donation business based on reciprocity, as described above, would thus be transformed into a proper business relationship. The name for it: Wikimedia Enterprise API.
For this business to be profitable in the long term, Wikimedia must ensure the comprehensive supply of information on Wikipedia, but also enhance it for the social networks https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/soziale-netzwerke with high-quality images and films. Expanded offerings increase demand. And in order to secure the capital-rich clientele in the long term - according to the law of Internet capitalism - Wikipedia could also become the dominant platform in the education sector for images and films that can be accessed as free as possible. Contempt for the state and collectivism
Wikimedia Deutschland's intensive lobbying campaign for so-called "free licenses", which has been ongoing for several years, should also be understood in this context. Public films, especially documentaries, are to be offered free of charge on Wikipedia via CC licensing (Creative Commons licenses). Many know this campaign under the formula "Public money = Public good". A vulgarization of the idea of the common good that devalues the legal status of goods whose production takes place through state redistribution or in publicly supported economic segments such as the film and television industry. The claim is an expression of a typical contemporary amalgamation of libertarian contempt for the state and collectivist ideals, which in this case hides quite shamelessly behind rhetoric about the common good and flickering fantasies of the "free Internet”.
In recent years, Wikimedia's lobbying activities around the reform of European copyright law have resulted in striking rejection from German production and copyright associations. With the public broadcasters, on the other hand, they have been somewhat successful: At the intensive instigation of Wikimedia, there have been pilot tests with CC-licensed clips from productions of the "Terra X" documentary series (ZDF) in the last two years. And indeed, CC clauses are increasingly found in the fine print of individual Terra X production contracts. This is the result of so-called "round tables" at which, it should be noted, no representation of the German producer community was present. Wikimedia, at any rate, is celebrating its statistics today; the Terra-X clips are generating respectable user numbers on the Wikipedia page.
The German film and television industry and all those creatively involved are now rubbing their eyes in the face of how this rose-tinted deception is catching on, not only among broadcaster executives but also in media policy circles. They have all failed to ask the obvious question: Why does Wikimedia need CC-licensed public service content at all? Wikimedia could also simply enter into a blanket licensing agreement with the relevant collecting societies such as VG Bild-Kunst. Just like schools, universities, and libraries do. And just as Wikimedia itself wants to conclude user agreements with Google https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/thema/google, Apple, Amazon or Facebook for facilitated access to content held on Wikipedia. It would be easy to solve all the legal issues. And thanks to the collecting societies that represent the interests of filmmakers, authors and ancillary copyright holders would also have their fair or livelihood-protecting share of the money flows. Propaganda for "free licenses"
Wikimedia has rejected VG Bild-Kunst's offer to license protected works. As long as its campaign in Germany has not completely failed, the organization is apparently continuing to speculate on CC-licensed, high-quality public-domain freeware, for which it does not have to conclude licensing agreements with the collecting societies precisely because it is already CC-licensed. A good deal for Wikimedia and the Internet giants. A disastrous one for the production landscape.
Notwithstanding. Self-publication of content via Creative Commons on subject-specific platforms or in social media makes perfect sense for certain content such as academic publications or even NGO or hobby films. Professional film works, on the other hand, always represent bundles of legally guaranteed legal rights for script, direction, production, camera, music et cetera. Films created under professional market conditions are simply not suitable for simplified publication via Creative Commons licensing.
Wikimedia ignores these facts in its ongoing propaganda about "free licenses" and waves away the criticism with colorful flags that say "common good". In their own interest. At the expense of us filmmakers, at the expense of authors and copyright holders.
The German film and television landscape is facing enormous challenges due to the growing importance of platforms and the resulting dynamics in the audiovisual market. Perhaps as never before. At this time, it is crucial that those with political responsibility as well as the public broadcasters use these challenges in intensive dialog with filmmakers as an opportunity to sustainably strengthen the production landscape in all its diversity. Even better, to allow its creative power to unfold better than before.
What filmmakers need for this are stable legal foundations and fair market standards. The stickers with the vulgar formula "public money = public good" call these foundations into question. They should now finally be scraped off the windshields of media policy in Germany.
David Bernet is a documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK (Professional Association of Documentary Filmmakers in Germany). ***************************************************
Free licenses for the common good https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/wikimedia-ard-und-zdf-freie-lizenzen-fuer-das-gemeinwohl-17753492.html
by Dr. Christian Humborg, Executive Director of Wikimedia Deutschland
Public money - public good! With this formula, Wikimedia Deutschland is campaigning for knowledge content that is financed with tax money or the broadcasting fee to be available to everyone. Some see their business model threatened by this demand. "This is ruining filmmakers," reads an opinion piece published this week by documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK, David Bernet.
This is a view that ignores the possibility of new financing models, especially for filmmakers and media professionals - and above all the absolute necessity of finally adapting the public broadcasting system in Germany to the realities of the 21st century. Politicians and the broadcasting commissions of the federal states themselves have long recognized that something has to be done. Broadcasting content only via the traditional channels of radio and television no longer does justice to the mission of the public broadcasters. If you want to create good, reliable content for everyone, you have to offer it in the way it is used today: Accessible at any time, shareable, adaptable.
It is alarming that, in this situation, creative people are being ground down in the dispute between content exploiters such as film companies and publishers, platforms, public broadcasters and politicians. But it is incomprehensible that David Bernet points the finger at Wikipedia and Wikimedia, of all places.
The knowledge content financed by taxes and broadcasting fees is manifold, but access and use are anything but self-evident: Why are publicly financed research data behind paywalls of private specialist publishers? Why is the Axel Springer publishing house forced to acquire rights for the broadcast of the historically significant Elefantenrunde on election night? Why don't public broadcasters make these rights available from the outset, especially when it comes to purely in-house productions? Wikimedia is not concerned with entertainment or weekly sporting events. But publicly funded knowledge content should be free. It should be permanently findable, usable and available regardless of location.
Freely licensed - and adequately funded
Creatives - apart from a few superstars - still earn far too little money from their valuable work. Interest groups and employer organizations, above all public broadcasters, urgently need to work on fair remuneration. At the same time, it is also a matter of greater public appreciation of their work. I hardly know any creatives who are only concerned about the money and not also about attention. Provided that they are fairly remunerated, free licenses can address both points.
If creators receive five euros for their content and another one euro each for two subsequent uses, what would be so bad about it if they received seven euros instead and the work was free for that? Also in terms of predictable financial planning, I would prefer the latter. In fact, creatives are regularly confronted with so-called total buyout clauses as the only contract model, but without free licensing and without reuse options.
Regardless of the financing, the free licensing of content often fails due to the lack of suitable contract templates. Experience shows that those who have to deal with the necessary formalities for every project again - and sometimes against resistance - quickly give up. Public broadcasters therefore urgently need to develop contract templates that enable editorial teams and commissioned creatives to produce content under free licenses in an uncomplicated and legally secure manner.
One thing is clear: Whether creators are adequately compensated for their services by public broadcasters should not depend on licensing. Free licenses bring great advantages for broadcasters and society, such as simpler and longer-lasting usability, simpler rights clearance, and potentially greater visibility. These advantages should also be remunerated accordingly. In any case, creators and editors must be enabled to use free licenses without fear of loss of income.
One reason for the difficult negotiating position of creative professionals is the lack of a strong lobby. For the many creatives, negotiations on an equal footing would only be possible if individuals did not pull out. Just how difficult it is to act collectively in the face of monopolists was demonstrated again in the newspaper market last week, for example, when it became known that Madsack had signed a contract with Google for Showcase. The intention to bundle the negotiating power on the side of the content users in Corint Media did not work out at that point. The role of collecting societies is extremely important and it is to be welcomed that they are no longer allowed to represent only their members in some sectors.
It's also about reach
Wikimedia has always urged rights compliance and at the same time called for the modernization of copyright where it no longer functions reasonably in a digital age. On the other hand, it was the large advertising platforms such as YouTube whose rise and growth would hardly have been conceivable without disregard for legal standards. Precisely because Wikimedia respects copyright, it relies on free licenses that make it possible for everyone to use and edit content permanently and in a legally secure manner.
Furthermore, Wikimedia welcomes all considerations for a non-commercial, European media platform as a basis for the exchange of publicly funded content. Instead, public broadcasters in EU member states mostly limit themselves to short-term collaborations, limited also by national exploitation licenses, while at the same time uploading content to globally available commercial platforms such as Youtube.
The example of Terra X from ZDF shows that there are distribution alternatives, such as the Wikimedia platform Commons. The Terra X clips posted there alone currently achieve more than two million views per month. To put it in perspective, that's two million views more than if they were to appear only in the media libraries of the public broadcasters for a year.
Making Terra X clips available benefits the quality of Wikipedia, no question. But it primarily benefits the viewers - and it's good for Terra X's sustainable reach. Reaching many people is the mission of public broadcasters. Not to mention, Wikipedia articles committed to a neutral point of view are certainly a more suitable environment for public service information content than YouTube and other commercial platforms.
The collaboration between ZDF and Wikipedia on the Terra-X broadcast comes from a volunteer group. This group, "Wiki Loves Broadcast," points out in its response to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcast/Statement_zum_FAZ-Beitrag_vom_18.01.2022 David Bernet's post that it is solely up to the volunteer community to incorporate content like ZDF's clips into Wikipedia. Neither Wikimedia Deutschland nor the Wikimedia Foundation can influence this.
Knowledge that belongs to everyone
Wikimedia is financially independent. Wikimedia is financed by donations and membership fees from the millions of people who use Wikipedia and other wiki projects. In concrete terms, Wikimedia Deutschland is backed by just under 100,000 association members. In total, more than 500,000 people supported Wikimedia Deutschland financially last year. In 2021, there was actually money from platforms. While the figure in 2020 was 0%, in 2021 it accounted for about 0.2% of revenue. I do not see any threat to independence in this order of magnitude.
Internationally, too, millions of small donations ensure precisely this independence. For the coming year - as in previous years - we expect payments from companies and donations of more than $1,000 to account for less than 20% of the Wikimedia Foundation's total income.
Two things are certain: Wikimedia cannot sell content at all, because Wikimedia does not own any content, unlike any creative person. No profit flows from Wikimedia to individuals, but all income is used solely for the non-profit projects. Personally, I'm glad that among the world's major internet platforms there is at least one that is not concerned with profit.
Christian,
Thanks for providing the translations.
Even if he got some obvious things wrong – one thing David Bernet is right about is that the people earning money from this free content are first and foremost Big Tech, who can then host this material on sites like YouTube and put ads on it, track users, etc. Nobody will come to Commons to watch it there (clunky interface for video).
Personally I never set out to make the world's richest companies, who today do more lobbying to influence the political process than any other industry, even richer, to the detriment of content creators, internet users' privacy and fair competition.
I'd rather like to see you lobby to have programs permanently available on ARD's/ZDF's (German broadcasters') own media repository sites, where they can easily be linked to. The concentration of public media access in the hands of just a small number of US-based Big Tech companies that hoover up everything – which is the practical result of the strategy you advocate – is politically and economically unhealthy.
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
Best, Andreas
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 6:23 PM Christian Humborg < christian.humborg@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
we had articles in Germany published connecting the activities of Wikimedia Enterprise with our licensing advocacy. Please find below the article of a filmmaker, published last week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of the large German newspapers. Below you find our response, published this week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. I hope this is useful for further debates.
Kind regards Christian
*Wikimedia perverts the common good* https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/wikimedia-plant-die-kommerzialisierung-ihrer-inhalte-17736141.html
*Wikimedia plans to commercialize its content. At the same time, the organization is lobbying hard to get its hands on high-quality free content from public broadcasters. This is ruining the filmmakers*.
The Wikipedia information platform has so far been financed by donations from Silicon Valley tech giants, among others. These include primarily the market-dominating Internet giants such as Google, Facebook, Apple et cetera, all of which earn money through traffic with content from Wikipedia. In specialist circles, these donations are regarded as a reciprocal business: Donors and Wikipedia profit from each other.
Wikimedia is the operating organization behind Wikipedia, but it has long been looking for a stable business model to finance itself. In the spring of 2021, Wikimedia finally announced that it would build a corporate interface that would simplify the automated use of Wikipedia content and for which commercial companies would pay. In other words: money is to be made with the content on Wikipedia. For example, with services such as the voice assistants Siri https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/siri or Alexa, which access content via Wikipedia. The donation business based on reciprocity, as described above, would thus be transformed into a proper business relationship. The name for it: Wikimedia Enterprise API.
For this business to be profitable in the long term, Wikimedia must ensure the comprehensive supply of information on Wikipedia, but also enhance it for the social networks https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/soziale-netzwerke with high-quality images and films. Expanded offerings increase demand. And in order to secure the capital-rich clientele in the long term - according to the law of Internet capitalism - Wikipedia could also become the dominant platform in the education sector for images and films that can be accessed as free as possible. Contempt for the state and collectivism
Wikimedia Deutschland's intensive lobbying campaign for so-called "free licenses", which has been ongoing for several years, should also be understood in this context. Public films, especially documentaries, are to be offered free of charge on Wikipedia via CC licensing (Creative Commons licenses). Many know this campaign under the formula "Public money = Public good". A vulgarization of the idea of the common good that devalues the legal status of goods whose production takes place through state redistribution or in publicly supported economic segments such as the film and television industry. The claim is an expression of a typical contemporary amalgamation of libertarian contempt for the state and collectivist ideals, which in this case hides quite shamelessly behind rhetoric about the common good and flickering fantasies of the "free Internet”.
In recent years, Wikimedia's lobbying activities around the reform of European copyright law have resulted in striking rejection from German production and copyright associations. With the public broadcasters, on the other hand, they have been somewhat successful: At the intensive instigation of Wikimedia, there have been pilot tests with CC-licensed clips from productions of the "Terra X" documentary series (ZDF) in the last two years. And indeed, CC clauses are increasingly found in the fine print of individual Terra X production contracts. This is the result of so-called "round tables" at which, it should be noted, no representation of the German producer community was present. Wikimedia, at any rate, is celebrating its statistics today; the Terra-X clips are generating respectable user numbers on the Wikipedia page.
The German film and television industry and all those creatively involved are now rubbing their eyes in the face of how this rose-tinted deception is catching on, not only among broadcaster executives but also in media policy circles. They have all failed to ask the obvious question: Why does Wikimedia need CC-licensed public service content at all? Wikimedia could also simply enter into a blanket licensing agreement with the relevant collecting societies such as VG Bild-Kunst. Just like schools, universities, and libraries do. And just as Wikimedia itself wants to conclude user agreements with Google https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/thema/google, Apple, Amazon or Facebook for facilitated access to content held on Wikipedia. It would be easy to solve all the legal issues. And thanks to the collecting societies that represent the interests of filmmakers, authors and ancillary copyright holders would also have their fair or livelihood-protecting share of the money flows. Propaganda for "free licenses"
Wikimedia has rejected VG Bild-Kunst's offer to license protected works. As long as its campaign in Germany has not completely failed, the organization is apparently continuing to speculate on CC-licensed, high-quality public-domain freeware, for which it does not have to conclude licensing agreements with the collecting societies precisely because it is already CC-licensed. A good deal for Wikimedia and the Internet giants. A disastrous one for the production landscape.
Notwithstanding. Self-publication of content via Creative Commons on subject-specific platforms or in social media makes perfect sense for certain content such as academic publications or even NGO or hobby films. Professional film works, on the other hand, always represent bundles of legally guaranteed legal rights for script, direction, production, camera, music et cetera. Films created under professional market conditions are simply not suitable for simplified publication via Creative Commons licensing.
Wikimedia ignores these facts in its ongoing propaganda about "free licenses" and waves away the criticism with colorful flags that say "common good". In their own interest. At the expense of us filmmakers, at the expense of authors and copyright holders.
The German film and television landscape is facing enormous challenges due to the growing importance of platforms and the resulting dynamics in the audiovisual market. Perhaps as never before. At this time, it is crucial that those with political responsibility as well as the public broadcasters use these challenges in intensive dialog with filmmakers as an opportunity to sustainably strengthen the production landscape in all its diversity. Even better, to allow its creative power to unfold better than before.
What filmmakers need for this are stable legal foundations and fair market standards. The stickers with the vulgar formula "public money = public good" call these foundations into question. They should now finally be scraped off the windshields of media policy in Germany.
David Bernet is a documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK (Professional Association of Documentary Filmmakers in Germany).
Free licenses for the common good https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/wikimedia-ard-und-zdf-freie-lizenzen-fuer-das-gemeinwohl-17753492.html
by Dr. Christian Humborg, Executive Director of Wikimedia Deutschland
Public money - public good! With this formula, Wikimedia Deutschland is campaigning for knowledge content that is financed with tax money or the broadcasting fee to be available to everyone. Some see their business model threatened by this demand. "This is ruining filmmakers," reads an opinion piece published this week by documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK, David Bernet.
This is a view that ignores the possibility of new financing models, especially for filmmakers and media professionals - and above all the absolute necessity of finally adapting the public broadcasting system in Germany to the realities of the 21st century. Politicians and the broadcasting commissions of the federal states themselves have long recognized that something has to be done. Broadcasting content only via the traditional channels of radio and television no longer does justice to the mission of the public broadcasters. If you want to create good, reliable content for everyone, you have to offer it in the way it is used today: Accessible at any time, shareable, adaptable.
It is alarming that, in this situation, creative people are being ground down in the dispute between content exploiters such as film companies and publishers, platforms, public broadcasters and politicians. But it is incomprehensible that David Bernet points the finger at Wikipedia and Wikimedia, of all places.
The knowledge content financed by taxes and broadcasting fees is manifold, but access and use are anything but self-evident: Why are publicly financed research data behind paywalls of private specialist publishers? Why is the Axel Springer publishing house forced to acquire rights for the broadcast of the historically significant Elefantenrunde on election night? Why don't public broadcasters make these rights available from the outset, especially when it comes to purely in-house productions? Wikimedia is not concerned with entertainment or weekly sporting events. But publicly funded knowledge content should be free. It should be permanently findable, usable and available regardless of location.
Freely licensed - and adequately funded
Creatives - apart from a few superstars - still earn far too little money from their valuable work. Interest groups and employer organizations, above all public broadcasters, urgently need to work on fair remuneration. At the same time, it is also a matter of greater public appreciation of their work. I hardly know any creatives who are only concerned about the money and not also about attention. Provided that they are fairly remunerated, free licenses can address both points.
If creators receive five euros for their content and another one euro each for two subsequent uses, what would be so bad about it if they received seven euros instead and the work was free for that? Also in terms of predictable financial planning, I would prefer the latter. In fact, creatives are regularly confronted with so-called total buyout clauses as the only contract model, but without free licensing and without reuse options.
Regardless of the financing, the free licensing of content often fails due to the lack of suitable contract templates. Experience shows that those who have to deal with the necessary formalities for every project again - and sometimes against resistance - quickly give up. Public broadcasters therefore urgently need to develop contract templates that enable editorial teams and commissioned creatives to produce content under free licenses in an uncomplicated and legally secure manner.
One thing is clear: Whether creators are adequately compensated for their services by public broadcasters should not depend on licensing. Free licenses bring great advantages for broadcasters and society, such as simpler and longer-lasting usability, simpler rights clearance, and potentially greater visibility. These advantages should also be remunerated accordingly. In any case, creators and editors must be enabled to use free licenses without fear of loss of income.
One reason for the difficult negotiating position of creative professionals is the lack of a strong lobby. For the many creatives, negotiations on an equal footing would only be possible if individuals did not pull out. Just how difficult it is to act collectively in the face of monopolists was demonstrated again in the newspaper market last week, for example, when it became known that Madsack had signed a contract with Google for Showcase. The intention to bundle the negotiating power on the side of the content users in Corint Media did not work out at that point. The role of collecting societies is extremely important and it is to be welcomed that they are no longer allowed to represent only their members in some sectors.
It's also about reach
Wikimedia has always urged rights compliance and at the same time called for the modernization of copyright where it no longer functions reasonably in a digital age. On the other hand, it was the large advertising platforms such as YouTube whose rise and growth would hardly have been conceivable without disregard for legal standards. Precisely because Wikimedia respects copyright, it relies on free licenses that make it possible for everyone to use and edit content permanently and in a legally secure manner.
Furthermore, Wikimedia welcomes all considerations for a non-commercial, European media platform as a basis for the exchange of publicly funded content. Instead, public broadcasters in EU member states mostly limit themselves to short-term collaborations, limited also by national exploitation licenses, while at the same time uploading content to globally available commercial platforms such as Youtube.
The example of Terra X from ZDF shows that there are distribution alternatives, such as the Wikimedia platform Commons. The Terra X clips posted there alone currently achieve more than two million views per month. To put it in perspective, that's two million views more than if they were to appear only in the media libraries of the public broadcasters for a year.
Making Terra X clips available benefits the quality of Wikipedia, no question. But it primarily benefits the viewers - and it's good for Terra X's sustainable reach. Reaching many people is the mission of public broadcasters. Not to mention, Wikipedia articles committed to a neutral point of view are certainly a more suitable environment for public service information content than YouTube and other commercial platforms.
The collaboration between ZDF and Wikipedia on the Terra-X broadcast comes from a volunteer group. This group, "Wiki Loves Broadcast," points out in its response to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcast/Statement_zum_FAZ-Beitrag_vom_18.01.2022 David Bernet's post that it is solely up to the volunteer community to incorporate content like ZDF's clips into Wikipedia. Neither Wikimedia Deutschland nor the Wikimedia Foundation can influence this.
Knowledge that belongs to everyone
Wikimedia is financially independent. Wikimedia is financed by donations and membership fees from the millions of people who use Wikipedia and other wiki projects. In concrete terms, Wikimedia Deutschland is backed by just under 100,000 association members. In total, more than 500,000 people supported Wikimedia Deutschland financially last year. In 2021, there was actually money from platforms. While the figure in 2020 was 0%, in 2021 it accounted for about 0.2% of revenue. I do not see any threat to independence in this order of magnitude.
Internationally, too, millions of small donations ensure precisely this independence. For the coming year - as in previous years - we expect payments from companies and donations of more than $1,000 to account for less than 20% of the Wikimedia Foundation's total income.
Two things are certain: Wikimedia cannot sell content at all, because Wikimedia does not own any content, unlike any creative person. No profit flows from Wikimedia to individuals, but all income is used solely for the non-profit projects. Personally, I'm glad that among the world's major internet platforms there is at least one that is not concerned with profit.
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Do you have a source for that number?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
I don't think there is any such source. In another thread, Andreas also states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1] (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000 each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over $200,000 per employee" from this one.) While I have no doubt that salaries and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are exaggerations.
Risker/Anne
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/A...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk krenair@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a source for that number?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
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Dear Alex, Anne
Please see the 2019 Form 990, which is the most recent one available:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/202101319...
Line 5 on the first page states that the "Total number of individuals employed in calendar year 2019" was 291.
Line 15 on the same page states that "Salaries, other compensation, employee benefits" together amounted to $55,634,913.
If you divide $55,634,913 by 291, you arrive at a figure of $191,185 per head (this includes payroll taxes averaging about $8,650 per employee).
If you look at the most recent financial statements –
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AWikimedia_Foundati...
– you'll see that salary costs ("Salaries and wages") rose from $55,634,912 to $67,857,676, year on year. That is an increase of over 20%.
Based on the development in past years, I assume a substantial part of this reflects increases in salaries, rather than increases in staff numbers.
Why? For a timeline of how WMF salary costs per employee have increased over time, see –
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salaries#Salaries,_othe...
This shows that, over the most recent three years we have Form 990 figures for, salary costs per employee have increased year on year by 15% (2017), 7% (2018) and 6% (2019).
Given that we are now in 2022, I think it is safe to assume that salary costs per employee now substantially exceed $200,000 per head. (Of course, the WMF could give us a fairly precise 2021 figure if it chose to.)
Anne, you are conflating employees and contractors. Employees enjoy very substantial benefits (see part IX of the Form 990) and are generally paid more than contractors, many of whom are also abroad where living standards are lower.
Moreover, contractors' pay is not included in the Line 15 figure, nor the "Salaries and wages" figure on the financial statements (which is the same figure, the $1 difference notwithstanding). My understanding is that contractors' pay is covered under "professional service expenses" in the financial statements, along with the various external consultants.
Best, Andreas
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 1:38 AM Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think there is any such source. In another thread, Andreas also states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1] (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000 each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over $200,000 per employee" from this one.) While I have no doubt that salaries and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are exaggerations.
Risker/Anne
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/A...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk krenair@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a source for that number?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
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The $200,000 average salary for each employee is plain wrong.
If you look at 2019 Form: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/85/Wikimedia_Foundation_... In that form, there is a section (Section VII) for the highest paid employees and requires WMF to report any employee who was paid more than "$100,000 from the organization and any related organizations". And only 11 people in all of WMF were paid more than $200,000 in that FY and the highest paid employee took a little less than $400,000, and in total with the rest it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to the form).
There are lots of complicating factors, including the fact that most WMF "employees" live outside of the US and thus are hired through the Employer of Record (EoR) system. So they show up as contractors in the list of staff and I'm not sure where their expenses show up in Form 990. Staff compensation gets adjusted to where they live and usually (virtually all but not sure) it's less than salaries paid in the bay area due to the fact that simply living in SF (and bay area) is expensive.
If you combine total expenses of WMF with personnel expenses (~80M) and divide that to 400 (~ number of staff in 2019), you might get $200,000 per person but that includes data center expenses, buying hardware expenses, network expenses, money paid for renting offices, electricity bills of the dcs and offices, travel expenses, basically anything you can imagine except grants.
(In my volunteer capacity, It's weekend)
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:38 AM Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think there is any such source. In another thread, Andreas also states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1] (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000 each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over $200,000 per employee" from this one.) While I have no doubt that salaries and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are exaggerations.
Risker/Anne
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/A...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk krenair@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a source for that number?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
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Amir,
You say, "it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to the form)."
Part VII of the Form 990 (page 8) states, in line 2 (under the table of highest earners you mention),
"Total number of individuals (including but not limited to those listed above) who received more than $100,000 of reportable compensation from the organization – *165*"
That is more than half of all employees (actual employees, as opposed to freelancers).
Andreas
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:29 AM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
The $200,000 average salary for each employee is plain wrong.
If you look at 2019 Form: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/85/Wikimedia_Foundation_... In that form, there is a section (Section VII) for the highest paid employees and requires WMF to report any employee who was paid more than "$100,000 from the organization and any related organizations". And only 11 people in all of WMF were paid more than $200,000 in that FY and the highest paid employee took a little less than $400,000, and in total with the rest it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to the form).
There are lots of complicating factors, including the fact that most WMF "employees" live outside of the US and thus are hired through the Employer of Record (EoR) system. So they show up as contractors in the list of staff and I'm not sure where their expenses show up in Form 990. Staff compensation gets adjusted to where they live and usually (virtually all but not sure) it's less than salaries paid in the bay area due to the fact that simply living in SF (and bay area) is expensive.
If you combine total expenses of WMF with personnel expenses (~80M) and divide that to 400 (~ number of staff in 2019), you might get $200,000 per person but that includes data center expenses, buying hardware expenses, network expenses, money paid for renting offices, electricity bills of the dcs and offices, travel expenses, basically anything you can imagine except grants.
(In my volunteer capacity, It's weekend)
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:38 AM Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think there is any such source. In another thread, Andreas also states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1] (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000 each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over $200,000 per employee" from this one.) While I have no doubt that salaries and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are exaggerations.
Risker/Anne
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/A...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk krenair@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a source for that number?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
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Thank you for fixing that mistake but again. If anyone were paid above $187,000 they would show up in the main list and only 12 people are there. And again it doesn't make sense with assuming c-levels and the highest paid employees in WMF being paid a little above "average".
Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com schrieb am So., 30. Jan. 2022, 03:37:
Amir,
You say, "it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to the form)."
Part VII of the Form 990 (page 8) states, in line 2 (under the table of highest earners you mention),
"Total number of individuals (including but not limited to those listed above) who received more than $100,000 of reportable compensation from the organization – *165*"
That is more than half of all employees (actual employees, as opposed to freelancers).
Andreas
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:29 AM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
The $200,000 average salary for each employee is plain wrong.
If you look at 2019 Form: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/85/Wikimedia_Foundation_... In that form, there is a section (Section VII) for the highest paid employees and requires WMF to report any employee who was paid more than "$100,000 from the organization and any related organizations". And only 11 people in all of WMF were paid more than $200,000 in that FY and the highest paid employee took a little less than $400,000, and in total with the rest it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to the form).
There are lots of complicating factors, including the fact that most WMF "employees" live outside of the US and thus are hired through the Employer of Record (EoR) system. So they show up as contractors in the list of staff and I'm not sure where their expenses show up in Form 990. Staff compensation gets adjusted to where they live and usually (virtually all but not sure) it's less than salaries paid in the bay area due to the fact that simply living in SF (and bay area) is expensive.
If you combine total expenses of WMF with personnel expenses (~80M) and divide that to 400 (~ number of staff in 2019), you might get $200,000 per person but that includes data center expenses, buying hardware expenses, network expenses, money paid for renting offices, electricity bills of the dcs and offices, travel expenses, basically anything you can imagine except grants.
(In my volunteer capacity, It's weekend)
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:38 AM Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think there is any such source. In another thread, Andreas also states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1] (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000 each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over $200,000 per employee" from this one.) While I have no doubt that salaries and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are exaggerations.
Risker/Anne
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/A...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk krenair@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a source for that number?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
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Andreas -
First off, contract employees are employees. There were 82 of them. (Part V, line 1a on the Form 990) They do not receive a W-3 form. Only 291 employees received the W-3 form. That brings employee total to 373.
Secondly, you fail to compensate for the fact that the 13 "key employees" - officers, the top 5 compensated non-officer staff, and other key staff - received approximately $3.3 million alone. That reduces the employee pool to 360 and the compensation pool to $52.3 million.
That gives an average total compensation of about $145,000 USD. Reportable compensation includes pension plan contributions, medical/dental plans, paid leaves,social security/medicare taxes, insurance, costs reimbursed for maintaining a home office, and many other forms of direct or indirect compensation. The benefits package would run about 25-30% of the base salary, and other compensation will add into that.
There's no reason whatsoever to believe that the employee numbers remained static the following year; in fact, in your other statement, your figures would suggest you think the WMF currently has about 650-675 staff.
Risker/Anne
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 21:37, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Amir,
You say, "it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to the form)."
Part VII of the Form 990 (page 8) states, in line 2 (under the table of highest earners you mention),
"Total number of individuals (including but not limited to those listed above) who received more than $100,000 of reportable compensation from the organization – *165*"
That is more than half of all employees (actual employees, as opposed to freelancers).
Andreas
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:29 AM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
The $200,000 average salary for each employee is plain wrong.
If you look at 2019 Form: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/85/Wikimedia_Foundation_... In that form, there is a section (Section VII) for the highest paid employees and requires WMF to report any employee who was paid more than "$100,000 from the organization and any related organizations". And only 11 people in all of WMF were paid more than $200,000 in that FY and the highest paid employee took a little less than $400,000, and in total with the rest it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to the form).
There are lots of complicating factors, including the fact that most WMF "employees" live outside of the US and thus are hired through the Employer of Record (EoR) system. So they show up as contractors in the list of staff and I'm not sure where their expenses show up in Form 990. Staff compensation gets adjusted to where they live and usually (virtually all but not sure) it's less than salaries paid in the bay area due to the fact that simply living in SF (and bay area) is expensive.
If you combine total expenses of WMF with personnel expenses (~80M) and divide that to 400 (~ number of staff in 2019), you might get $200,000 per person but that includes data center expenses, buying hardware expenses, network expenses, money paid for renting offices, electricity bills of the dcs and offices, travel expenses, basically anything you can imagine except grants.
(In my volunteer capacity, It's weekend)
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:38 AM Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think there is any such source. In another thread, Andreas also states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1] (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000 each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over $200,000 per employee" from this one.) While I have no doubt that salaries and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are exaggerations.
Risker/Anne
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/A...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk krenair@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a source for that number?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
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Interesting discussion but away from the focal point of what Christian shared. Hope both can be useful and continue but in separate email threads.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 4:04 AM Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas -
First off, contract employees are employees. There were 82 of them. (Part V, line 1a on the Form 990) They do not receive a W-3 form. Only 291 employees received the W-3 form. That brings employee total to 373.
Secondly, you fail to compensate for the fact that the 13 "key employees"
- officers, the top 5 compensated non-officer staff, and other key staff -
received approximately $3.3 million alone. That reduces the employee pool to 360 and the compensation pool to $52.3 million.
That gives an average total compensation of about $145,000 USD. Reportable compensation includes pension plan contributions, medical/dental plans, paid leaves,social security/medicare taxes, insurance, costs reimbursed for maintaining a home office, and many other forms of direct or indirect compensation. The benefits package would run about 25-30% of the base salary, and other compensation will add into that.
There's no reason whatsoever to believe that the employee numbers remained static the following year; in fact, in your other statement, your figures would suggest you think the WMF currently has about 650-675 staff.
Risker/Anne
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 21:37, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Amir,
You say, "it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to the form)."
Part VII of the Form 990 (page 8) states, in line 2 (under the table of highest earners you mention),
"Total number of individuals (including but not limited to those listed above) who received more than $100,000 of reportable compensation from the organization – *165*"
That is more than half of all employees (actual employees, as opposed to freelancers).
Andreas
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:29 AM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
The $200,000 average salary for each employee is plain wrong.
If you look at 2019 Form: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/85/Wikimedia_Foundation_... In that form, there is a section (Section VII) for the highest paid employees and requires WMF to report any employee who was paid more than "$100,000 from the organization and any related organizations". And only 11 people in all of WMF were paid more than $200,000 in that FY and the highest paid employee took a little less than $400,000, and in total with the rest it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to the form).
There are lots of complicating factors, including the fact that most WMF "employees" live outside of the US and thus are hired through the Employer of Record (EoR) system. So they show up as contractors in the list of staff and I'm not sure where their expenses show up in Form 990. Staff compensation gets adjusted to where they live and usually (virtually all but not sure) it's less than salaries paid in the bay area due to the fact that simply living in SF (and bay area) is expensive.
If you combine total expenses of WMF with personnel expenses (~80M) and divide that to 400 (~ number of staff in 2019), you might get $200,000 per person but that includes data center expenses, buying hardware expenses, network expenses, money paid for renting offices, electricity bills of the dcs and offices, travel expenses, basically anything you can imagine except grants.
(In my volunteer capacity, It's weekend)
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:38 AM Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think there is any such source. In another thread, Andreas also states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1] (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000 each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over $200,000 per employee" from this one.) While I have no doubt that salaries and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are exaggerations.
Risker/Anne
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/A...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk krenair@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have a source for that number?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
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Anne, Alex, Željko,
Very good, Anne. Adding in the Part V, 1a numbers as additional employees, we arrive at the table below.[1] Do you agree this is accurate? It means the average salary cost per employee increased
– by 35% from 2013 to 2016, from *$86,493* in 2013 to *$116,726* in 2016, – by 28% from 2016 to 2019, from *$116,726* in 2016 to *$149,155* in 2019.
(It's noteworthy that salaries rose comparatively little during Lila Tretikov's short tenure, summer 2014 – spring 2016.)
We are now in 2022. Assuming salaries have continued to rise at a similar rate since 2019 (the 22% year-on-year increase in the salary and wages total reported for 2020 does make that seem likely), salary costs will average around *$190,000* ($149,155 + 28%) per employee this year.
I'm assuming a current headcount of about 600 staff/contractors (incl. non-employee contractors) for the WMF, based on a recent post here from a staffer. Wikimedia Germany alone has over 100 employees of its own, and all the other affiliates together will probably bring the total to about 800. More precise figures and any other corrections welcome.
Andreas
2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019
Contract employees (V 1a) 46 47 71 52 55 73 64 70 59 64 73 82
W-3 employees (V 2a) 26 36 72 107 134 158 192 229 230 229 255 291
Total employees 72 83 143 159 189 231 256 299 289 293 328 373
Total salary costs 2073313 3303543 7312120 11749500 16023637 19979908 26125610 31713546 33733998 38598155 46057613 55634913
Cost per employee 28796 39801 51133 73896 84781 86493 102053 106065 116726 131734 140419 149155
[1] Here is the same table in text format (comma-delimited), for reading into Excel:
,2008,2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019
,,,,,,,,,,,,
Contract employees (Part V 1a),46,47,71,52,55,73,64,70,59,64,73,82
W-3 employees (Part V 2a),26,36,72,107,134,158,192,229,230,229,255,291
Total employees,72,83,143,159,189,231,256,299,289,293,328,373
Total salary costs,2073313,3303543,7312120,11749500,16023637,19979908,26125610,31713546,33733998,38598155,46057613,55634913
Cost per employee,28796,39801,51133,73896,84781,86493,102053,106065,116726,131734,140419,149155
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 6:25 AM Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Interesting discussion but away from the focal point of what Christian shared. Hope both can be useful and continue but in separate email threads.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 4:04 AM Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas -
First off, contract employees are employees. There were 82 of them. (Part V, line 1a on the Form 990) They do not receive a W-3 form. Only 291 employees received the W-3 form. That brings employee total to 373.
Secondly, you fail to compensate for the fact that the 13 "key employees"
- officers, the top 5 compensated non-officer staff, and other key staff -
received approximately $3.3 million alone. That reduces the employee pool to 360 and the compensation pool to $52.3 million.
That gives an average total compensation of about $145,000 USD. Reportable compensation includes pension plan contributions, medical/dental plans, paid leaves,social security/medicare taxes, insurance, costs reimbursed for maintaining a home office, and many other forms of direct or indirect compensation. The benefits package would run about 25-30% of the base salary, and other compensation will add into that.
There's no reason whatsoever to believe that the employee numbers remained static the following year; in fact, in your other statement, your figures would suggest you think the WMF currently has about 650-675 staff.
Risker/Anne
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 1:25 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Cost per employee 28796 39801 51133 73896 84781 86493 102053 106065 116726 131734 140419 149155
I find it hard to believe that the WMF's average cost per employee has increased from $28,796 in 2008 to $149,155 in 2019. That does not seem credible to me. The figure is remarkably low in 2008 and remarkably high in 2019. Perhaps there is something else happening in the data?
I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, if any? If I remember, WMF started that year based in Florida and moved sometime during the year. Could be that employee expenses were housed in Bomis or ledgered as something other than a labor expense.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 4:33 PM Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 1:25 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Cost per employee 28796 39801 51133 73896 84781 86493 102053 106065 116726 131734 140419 149155
I find it hard to believe that the WMF's average cost per employee has increased from $28,796 in 2008 to $149,155 in 2019. That does not seem credible to me. The figure is remarkably low in 2008 and remarkably high in 2019. Perhaps there is something else happening in the data? _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/... To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
WMF started in Florida in 2004 (no staff). First staff was probably in 2005 (Brion could confirm), with no office. We had a handful staff in 2006 (around 5-8), with a 2-3 rooms office (not all staff was over there). Around May/June 2007, we hired Sue for a 6 months term contract. After 6 months, she was made permanent (December 2007). The move to SA was in 2008.
And no, employee expenses were not housed in Bomis. We clearly had already separated from Bomis some years before.
Flo
Le 31/01/2022 à 01:44, Nathan a écrit :
I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, if any? If I remember, WMF started that year based in Florida and moved sometime during the year. Could be that employee expenses were housed in Bomis or ledgered as something other than a labor expense.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 4:33 PM Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 1:25 PM Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote: Cost per employee 28796 39801 51133 73896 84781 86493 102053 106065 116726 131734 140419 149155 I find it hard to believe that the WMF's average cost per employee has increased from $28,796 in 2008 to $149,155 in 2019. That does not seem credible to me. The figure is remarkably low in 2008 and remarkably high in 2019. Perhaps there is something else happening in the data? _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/RWBEYWTQYPLRCITKCSZ7VCE2R6HXQTBJ/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 00:45 Nathan, nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, if any?
According to Andreas's table there were 72 total employees. How many were full time? Pass!
But his numbers make little sense, so it's hard to draw conclusions from them.
Chris,
All the numbers are taken from the official Form 990s filed. You can verify them for yourself here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703
There is also a table of top-earners' base salaries on Meta, with data taken from the Form 990:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salaries
Have a look. They show various individuals' salaries increasing by remarkable amounts in recent years.
Jaime Villagomez' base salary for example increased by more than $50,000 in three years, from $237,665 in 2016 to $289,356 in 2019.
Toby Negrin's base salary increased by more than $45,000 over the same time period (from $192,018 to $237,992).
Lisa Seitz-Gruwell's base salary increased by more than $40,000 over that period (from $192,018 to $252,117).
These are all base salaries, excluding "other compensation", which adds another $34K, $33K and $21K to the salary figures for these three individuals, respectively.
You can find the above figures on Page 7 of the following forms:
The 2016 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/201821349... The 2019 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/202101319...
In 2008, only three people at the WMF earned more than $100,000:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/200049703/2010_05_EO%...
In 2019, it was (at least) 165.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:44 AM Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 00:45 Nathan, nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, if any?
According to Andreas's table there were 72 total employees. How many were full time? Pass!
But his numbers make little sense, so it's hard to draw conclusions from them.
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Correction:
The 2016 base salary figure for Lisa in my previous mail should have read $209,706, not $192,018.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:55 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Chris,
All the numbers are taken from the official Form 990s filed. You can verify them for yourself here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703
There is also a table of top-earners' base salaries on Meta, with data taken from the Form 990:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salaries
Have a look. They show various individuals' salaries increasing by remarkable amounts in recent years.
Jaime Villagomez' base salary for example increased by more than $50,000 in three years, from $237,665 in 2016 to $289,356 in 2019.
Toby Negrin's base salary increased by more than $45,000 over the same time period (from $192,018 to $237,992).
Lisa Seitz-Gruwell's base salary increased by more than $40,000 over that period (from $192,018 to $252,117).
These are all base salaries, excluding "other compensation", which adds another $34K, $33K and $21K to the salary figures for these three individuals, respectively.
You can find the above figures on Page 7 of the following forms:
The 2016 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/201821349... The 2019 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/202101319...
In 2008, only three people at the WMF earned more than $100,000:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/200049703/2010_05_EO%...
In 2019, it was (at least) 165.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:44 AM Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 00:45 Nathan, nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, if any?
According to Andreas's table there were 72 total employees. How many were full time? Pass!
But his numbers make little sense, so it's hard to draw conclusions from them.
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Hi,
I'm sorry but I feel that discussion is loaded and meant to create a heated debate and not provide good analysis data points.
I was surprised by your claims, so I picked one example, not giving names to not single anyone out.
First, you assume the first year is systematically a full year, it never is. And yes even if you arrive mid january, it does take a dent in your yearly compensation (it represents 5%). Second, you voluntarily speak in numbers and not ratio, which makes all data easy to twist. The one I checked had a 4% to 6% yearly salary increase which all in all is market practice in the US (we can argue about the discrepancies but hey). Third, even if you spot a higher increase, going into personal details about the increase is meaningless (such increases can be related to pre negotiated increase, to planned catch up on cost of living, on role change, role expansion, new responsibilities, beyond expectations achievements, a load of valid HR reasons).
If only on very specific and verifiable data points like those I can find how you distort reality to fit your narrative I can only assume you are doing the same for the rest of the discussion.
Public eye provides a safeguard for problems and financial abuses, yes (and that's why 503c are public).
But twisting those data to spread gratuitous shade on people working for the Foundation (and even naming them) is wrong and honestly shows a lack of empathy (you don't care about how people can live when their integrity is attacked while they are committed).
So I am happy to jump in Spreadsheet and discuss compensations, but if we are to do it, let's at the very least do it with a benevolent approach and minding the people whose job is talked about.
Just a bit of empathy and care goes a long way :)
-- Christophe
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 15:20, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Correction:
The 2016 base salary figure for Lisa in my previous mail should have read $209,706, not $192,018.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:55 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Chris,
All the numbers are taken from the official Form 990s filed. You can verify them for yourself here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703
There is also a table of top-earners' base salaries on Meta, with data taken from the Form 990:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salaries
Have a look. They show various individuals' salaries increasing by remarkable amounts in recent years.
Jaime Villagomez' base salary for example increased by more than $50,000 in three years, from $237,665 in 2016 to $289,356 in 2019.
Toby Negrin's base salary increased by more than $45,000 over the same time period (from $192,018 to $237,992).
Lisa Seitz-Gruwell's base salary increased by more than $40,000 over that period (from $192,018 to $252,117).
These are all base salaries, excluding "other compensation", which adds another $34K, $33K and $21K to the salary figures for these three individuals, respectively.
You can find the above figures on Page 7 of the following forms:
The 2016 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/201821349... The 2019 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/202101319...
In 2008, only three people at the WMF earned more than $100,000:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/200049703/2010_05_EO%...
In 2019, it was (at least) 165.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:44 AM Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 00:45 Nathan, nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, if any?
According to Andreas's table there were 72 total employees. How many were full time? Pass!
But his numbers make little sense, so it's hard to draw conclusions from them.
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Christophe,
"First year" applies in Jaime Villagomez' case (who took over as CFO on Feb. 1, 2016). Thank you for pointing that out. If his 2016 salary of $237,665 was only for eleven months (yielding an annual salary figure of 12/11 x 237,665 = 259,270), that does reduce the increase over three years to about $30,000.
Toby Negrin and Lisa Seitz-Gruwell both joined before 2016, so no first-year exception applies in their cases.
You say it's important to look at the percentage increases. Let's do so.
In Jaime's case, with 2016–2019 base salaries of $259,270 (est.), $264,341, $275,495 and $289,356, I arrive at annual percentage increases of 2.0%, 4.2% and 5.0%.
In Lisa's case ($209,706, $216,556, $229,170, $252,117) I make the increases 3.3%, 5.8%, 10.0%.
In Toby's case ($192,018, $214,504, $228,023, $237,992) the increases were 11.7%, 6.3%, 4.4%.
Per the Form 990 info, WMF salary costs per head increased year-on-year by 13%, 7% and 6% (if you use Anne's method of calculating the average salary cost per head; with the one I first used only the first figure would change, to 15%, while the other two are unaffected).
As for market practice in the US, according to the US Average Wage Index[1], the average increases in those years were 3.45%, 3.62% and 3.75%.
The above salary increases are well above these national averages. They are also, it must be said, financed by fundraising banners making people believe that Wikimedia is struggling to have enough money to keep Wikipedia up and running.
Andreas
[1] https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awidevelop.html
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:05 PM Christophe Henner < christophe.henner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm sorry but I feel that discussion is loaded and meant to create a heated debate and not provide good analysis data points.
I was surprised by your claims, so I picked one example, not giving names to not single anyone out.
First, you assume the first year is systematically a full year, it never is. And yes even if you arrive mid january, it does take a dent in your yearly compensation (it represents 5%). Second, you voluntarily speak in numbers and not ratio, which makes all data easy to twist. The one I checked had a 4% to 6% yearly salary increase which all in all is market practice in the US (we can argue about the discrepancies but hey). Third, even if you spot a higher increase, going into personal details about the increase is meaningless (such increases can be related to pre negotiated increase, to planned catch up on cost of living, on role change, role expansion, new responsibilities, beyond expectations achievements, a load of valid HR reasons).
If only on very specific and verifiable data points like those I can find how you distort reality to fit your narrative I can only assume you are doing the same for the rest of the discussion.
Public eye provides a safeguard for problems and financial abuses, yes (and that's why 503c are public).
But twisting those data to spread gratuitous shade on people working for the Foundation (and even naming them) is wrong and honestly shows a lack of empathy (you don't care about how people can live when their integrity is attacked while they are committed).
So I am happy to jump in Spreadsheet and discuss compensations, but if we are to do it, let's at the very least do it with a benevolent approach and minding the people whose job is talked about.
Just a bit of empathy and care goes a long way :)
-- Christophe
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 15:20, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Correction:
The 2016 base salary figure for Lisa in my previous mail should have read $209,706, not $192,018.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:55 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Chris,
All the numbers are taken from the official Form 990s filed. You can verify them for yourself here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703
There is also a table of top-earners' base salaries on Meta, with data taken from the Form 990:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salaries
Have a look. They show various individuals' salaries increasing by remarkable amounts in recent years.
Jaime Villagomez' base salary for example increased by more than $50,000 in three years, from $237,665 in 2016 to $289,356 in 2019.
Toby Negrin's base salary increased by more than $45,000 over the same time period (from $192,018 to $237,992).
Lisa Seitz-Gruwell's base salary increased by more than $40,000 over that period (from $192,018 to $252,117).
These are all base salaries, excluding "other compensation", which adds another $34K, $33K and $21K to the salary figures for these three individuals, respectively.
You can find the above figures on Page 7 of the following forms:
The 2016 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/201821349... The 2019 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/202101319...
In 2008, only three people at the WMF earned more than $100,000:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/200049703/2010_05_EO%...
In 2019, it was (at least) 165.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:44 AM Chris Keating < chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 00:45 Nathan, nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, if any?
According to Andreas's table there were 72 total employees. How many were full time? Pass!
But his numbers make little sense, so it's hard to draw conclusions from them.
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Am I the only one who thinks that discussing salaries (even if publicly disclosed) of named persons on this mailing list is highly inappropriate?
(I have no relation to WMF or any of these persons, for the record).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:45 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Christophe,
"First year" applies in Jaime Villagomez' case (who took over as CFO on Feb. 1, 2016). Thank you for pointing that out. If his 2016 salary of $237,665 was only for eleven months (yielding an annual salary figure of 12/11 x 237,665 = 259,270), that does reduce the increase over three years to about $30,000.
Toby Negrin and Lisa Seitz-Gruwell both joined before 2016, so no first-year exception applies in their cases.
You say it's important to look at the percentage increases. Let's do so.
In Jaime's case, with 2016–2019 base salaries of $259,270 (est.), $264,341, $275,495 and $289,356, I arrive at annual percentage increases of 2.0%, 4.2% and 5.0%.
In Lisa's case ($209,706, $216,556, $229,170, $252,117) I make the increases 3.3%, 5.8%, 10.0%.
In Toby's case ($192,018, $214,504, $228,023, $237,992) the increases were 11.7%, 6.3%, 4.4%.
Per the Form 990 info, WMF salary costs per head increased year-on-year by 13%, 7% and 6% (if you use Anne's method of calculating the average salary cost per head; with the one I first used only the first figure would change, to 15%, while the other two are unaffected).
As for market practice in the US, according to the US Average Wage Index[1], the average increases in those years were 3.45%, 3.62% and 3.75%.
The above salary increases are well above these national averages. They are also, it must be said, financed by fundraising banners making people believe that Wikimedia is struggling to have enough money to keep Wikipedia up and running.
Andreas
[1] https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awidevelop.html
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:05 PM Christophe Henner < christophe.henner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm sorry but I feel that discussion is loaded and meant to create a heated debate and not provide good analysis data points.
I was surprised by your claims, so I picked one example, not giving names to not single anyone out.
First, you assume the first year is systematically a full year, it never is. And yes even if you arrive mid january, it does take a dent in your yearly compensation (it represents 5%). Second, you voluntarily speak in numbers and not ratio, which makes all data easy to twist. The one I checked had a 4% to 6% yearly salary increase which all in all is market practice in the US (we can argue about the discrepancies but hey). Third, even if you spot a higher increase, going into personal details about the increase is meaningless (such increases can be related to pre negotiated increase, to planned catch up on cost of living, on role change, role expansion, new responsibilities, beyond expectations achievements, a load of valid HR reasons).
If only on very specific and verifiable data points like those I can find how you distort reality to fit your narrative I can only assume you are doing the same for the rest of the discussion.
Public eye provides a safeguard for problems and financial abuses, yes (and that's why 503c are public).
But twisting those data to spread gratuitous shade on people working for the Foundation (and even naming them) is wrong and honestly shows a lack of empathy (you don't care about how people can live when their integrity is attacked while they are committed).
So I am happy to jump in Spreadsheet and discuss compensations, but if we are to do it, let's at the very least do it with a benevolent approach and minding the people whose job is talked about.
Just a bit of empathy and care goes a long way :)
-- Christophe
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 15:20, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Correction:
The 2016 base salary figure for Lisa in my previous mail should have read $209,706, not $192,018.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:55 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Chris,
All the numbers are taken from the official Form 990s filed. You can verify them for yourself here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703
There is also a table of top-earners' base salaries on Meta, with data taken from the Form 990:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salaries
Have a look. They show various individuals' salaries increasing by remarkable amounts in recent years.
Jaime Villagomez' base salary for example increased by more than $50,000 in three years, from $237,665 in 2016 to $289,356 in 2019.
Toby Negrin's base salary increased by more than $45,000 over the same time period (from $192,018 to $237,992).
Lisa Seitz-Gruwell's base salary increased by more than $40,000 over that period (from $192,018 to $252,117).
These are all base salaries, excluding "other compensation", which adds another $34K, $33K and $21K to the salary figures for these three individuals, respectively.
You can find the above figures on Page 7 of the following forms:
The 2016 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/201821349... The 2019 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/202101319...
In 2008, only three people at the WMF earned more than $100,000:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/200049703/2010_05_EO%...
In 2019, it was (at least) 165.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:44 AM Chris Keating < chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 00:45 Nathan, nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, if any?
According to Andreas's table there were 72 total employees. How many were full time? Pass!
But his numbers make little sense, so it's hard to draw conclusions from them.
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Yaroslav,
These public disclosures of both overall salary costs and top-earners' individual salaries are mandated by law.
There is little point in having legislators mandate public disclosures if then nobody reads and discusses them.
This said, I am quite open to being told that I take a too jaundiced view of some things. I am also aware that many WMF staff located in San Francisco are not "rich" by any means, even though they may on paper be earning four or five times what someone doing the same job in Europe or Asia is earning. This has to do with the fact that WMF salaries fluctuate widely, those at the bottom earning far less than those at the top, and the cost of living in San Francisco is exorbitant.
But I do ask myself, especially in view of the past two years of Covid and Zoom meetings, and so many people working from home, what point there is in having large numbers of WMF staffers based in San Francisco.
Andreas
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:33 PM Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that discussing salaries (even if publicly disclosed) of named persons on this mailing list is highly inappropriate?
(I have no relation to WMF or any of these persons, for the record).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:45 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Christophe,
"First year" applies in Jaime Villagomez' case (who took over as CFO on Feb. 1, 2016). Thank you for pointing that out. If his 2016 salary of $237,665 was only for eleven months (yielding an annual salary figure of 12/11 x 237,665 = 259,270), that does reduce the increase over three years to about $30,000.
Toby Negrin and Lisa Seitz-Gruwell both joined before 2016, so no first-year exception applies in their cases.
You say it's important to look at the percentage increases. Let's do so.
In Jaime's case, with 2016–2019 base salaries of $259,270 (est.), $264,341, $275,495 and $289,356, I arrive at annual percentage increases of 2.0%, 4.2% and 5.0%.
In Lisa's case ($209,706, $216,556, $229,170, $252,117) I make the increases 3.3%, 5.8%, 10.0%.
In Toby's case ($192,018, $214,504, $228,023, $237,992) the increases were 11.7%, 6.3%, 4.4%.
Per the Form 990 info, WMF salary costs per head increased year-on-year by 13%, 7% and 6% (if you use Anne's method of calculating the average salary cost per head; with the one I first used only the first figure would change, to 15%, while the other two are unaffected).
As for market practice in the US, according to the US Average Wage Index[1], the average increases in those years were 3.45%, 3.62% and 3.75%.
The above salary increases are well above these national averages. They are also, it must be said, financed by fundraising banners making people believe that Wikimedia is struggling to have enough money to keep Wikipedia up and running.
Andreas
[1] https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awidevelop.html
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:05 PM Christophe Henner < christophe.henner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm sorry but I feel that discussion is loaded and meant to create a heated debate and not provide good analysis data points.
I was surprised by your claims, so I picked one example, not giving names to not single anyone out.
First, you assume the first year is systematically a full year, it never is. And yes even if you arrive mid january, it does take a dent in your yearly compensation (it represents 5%). Second, you voluntarily speak in numbers and not ratio, which makes all data easy to twist. The one I checked had a 4% to 6% yearly salary increase which all in all is market practice in the US (we can argue about the discrepancies but hey). Third, even if you spot a higher increase, going into personal details about the increase is meaningless (such increases can be related to pre negotiated increase, to planned catch up on cost of living, on role change, role expansion, new responsibilities, beyond expectations achievements, a load of valid HR reasons).
If only on very specific and verifiable data points like those I can find how you distort reality to fit your narrative I can only assume you are doing the same for the rest of the discussion.
Public eye provides a safeguard for problems and financial abuses, yes (and that's why 503c are public).
But twisting those data to spread gratuitous shade on people working for the Foundation (and even naming them) is wrong and honestly shows a lack of empathy (you don't care about how people can live when their integrity is attacked while they are committed).
So I am happy to jump in Spreadsheet and discuss compensations, but if we are to do it, let's at the very least do it with a benevolent approach and minding the people whose job is talked about.
Just a bit of empathy and care goes a long way :)
-- Christophe
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 15:20, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Correction:
The 2016 base salary figure for Lisa in my previous mail should have read $209,706, not $192,018.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:55 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Chris,
All the numbers are taken from the official Form 990s filed. You can verify them for yourself here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703
There is also a table of top-earners' base salaries on Meta, with data taken from the Form 990:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salaries
Have a look. They show various individuals' salaries increasing by remarkable amounts in recent years.
Jaime Villagomez' base salary for example increased by more than $50,000 in three years, from $237,665 in 2016 to $289,356 in 2019.
Toby Negrin's base salary increased by more than $45,000 over the same time period (from $192,018 to $237,992).
Lisa Seitz-Gruwell's base salary increased by more than $40,000 over that period (from $192,018 to $252,117).
These are all base salaries, excluding "other compensation", which adds another $34K, $33K and $21K to the salary figures for these three individuals, respectively.
You can find the above figures on Page 7 of the following forms:
The 2016 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/201821349... The 2019 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/202101319...
In 2008, only three people at the WMF earned more than $100,000:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/200049703/2010_05_EO%...
In 2019, it was (at least) 165.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:44 AM Chris Keating < chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 00:45 Nathan, nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
> I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, > if any? >
According to Andreas's table there were 72 total employees. How many were full time? Pass!
But his numbers make little sense, so it's hard to draw conclusions from them.
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I'd just like to point out that trying to move to a new location in this pandemic era, especially in a country with (pardon me if I give offense but) widespread skepticism if not outright resistance to vaccinations, can be quite risky to one's health or the health of one's families. So I think we should take such a discussion out of this thread. The location of employees generally for future hires could be something to be discussed, but perhaps that too should be in a separate thread.
Ariel
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 4:45 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Yaroslav,
These public disclosures of both overall salary costs and top-earners' individual salaries are mandated by law.
There is little point in having legislators mandate public disclosures if then nobody reads and discusses them.
This said, I am quite open to being told that I take a too jaundiced view of some things. I am also aware that many WMF staff located in San Francisco are not "rich" by any means, even though they may on paper be earning four or five times what someone doing the same job in Europe or Asia is earning. This has to do with the fact that WMF salaries fluctuate widely, those at the bottom earning far less than those at the top, and the cost of living in San Francisco is exorbitant.
But I do ask myself, especially in view of the past two years of Covid and Zoom meetings, and so many people working from home, what point there is in having large numbers of WMF staffers based in San Francisco.
Andreas
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:33 PM Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that discussing salaries (even if publicly disclosed) of named persons on this mailing list is highly inappropriate?
(I have no relation to WMF or any of these persons, for the record).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:45 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Christophe,
"First year" applies in Jaime Villagomez' case (who took over as CFO on Feb. 1, 2016). Thank you for pointing that out. If his 2016 salary of $237,665 was only for eleven months (yielding an annual salary figure of 12/11 x 237,665 = 259,270), that does reduce the increase over three years to about $30,000.
Toby Negrin and Lisa Seitz-Gruwell both joined before 2016, so no first-year exception applies in their cases.
You say it's important to look at the percentage increases. Let's do so.
In Jaime's case, with 2016–2019 base salaries of $259,270 (est.), $264,341, $275,495 and $289,356, I arrive at annual percentage increases of 2.0%, 4.2% and 5.0%.
In Lisa's case ($209,706, $216,556, $229,170, $252,117) I make the increases 3.3%, 5.8%, 10.0%.
In Toby's case ($192,018, $214,504, $228,023, $237,992) the increases were 11.7%, 6.3%, 4.4%.
Per the Form 990 info, WMF salary costs per head increased year-on-year by 13%, 7% and 6% (if you use Anne's method of calculating the average salary cost per head; with the one I first used only the first figure would change, to 15%, while the other two are unaffected).
As for market practice in the US, according to the US Average Wage Index[1], the average increases in those years were 3.45%, 3.62% and 3.75%.
The above salary increases are well above these national averages. They are also, it must be said, financed by fundraising banners making people believe that Wikimedia is struggling to have enough money to keep Wikipedia up and running.
Andreas
[1] https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awidevelop.html
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:05 PM Christophe Henner < christophe.henner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm sorry but I feel that discussion is loaded and meant to create a heated debate and not provide good analysis data points.
I was surprised by your claims, so I picked one example, not giving names to not single anyone out.
First, you assume the first year is systematically a full year, it never is. And yes even if you arrive mid january, it does take a dent in your yearly compensation (it represents 5%). Second, you voluntarily speak in numbers and not ratio, which makes all data easy to twist. The one I checked had a 4% to 6% yearly salary increase which all in all is market practice in the US (we can argue about the discrepancies but hey). Third, even if you spot a higher increase, going into personal details about the increase is meaningless (such increases can be related to pre negotiated increase, to planned catch up on cost of living, on role change, role expansion, new responsibilities, beyond expectations achievements, a load of valid HR reasons).
If only on very specific and verifiable data points like those I can find how you distort reality to fit your narrative I can only assume you are doing the same for the rest of the discussion.
Public eye provides a safeguard for problems and financial abuses, yes (and that's why 503c are public).
But twisting those data to spread gratuitous shade on people working for the Foundation (and even naming them) is wrong and honestly shows a lack of empathy (you don't care about how people can live when their integrity is attacked while they are committed).
So I am happy to jump in Spreadsheet and discuss compensations, but if we are to do it, let's at the very least do it with a benevolent approach and minding the people whose job is talked about.
Just a bit of empathy and care goes a long way :)
-- Christophe
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 15:20, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Correction:
The 2016 base salary figure for Lisa in my previous mail should have read $209,706, not $192,018.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:55 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Chris,
All the numbers are taken from the official Form 990s filed. You can verify them for yourself here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703
There is also a table of top-earners' base salaries on Meta, with data taken from the Form 990:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salaries
Have a look. They show various individuals' salaries increasing by remarkable amounts in recent years.
Jaime Villagomez' base salary for example increased by more than $50,000 in three years, from $237,665 in 2016 to $289,356 in 2019.
Toby Negrin's base salary increased by more than $45,000 over the same time period (from $192,018 to $237,992).
Lisa Seitz-Gruwell's base salary increased by more than $40,000 over that period (from $192,018 to $252,117).
These are all base salaries, excluding "other compensation", which adds another $34K, $33K and $21K to the salary figures for these three individuals, respectively.
You can find the above figures on Page 7 of the following forms:
The 2016 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/201821349... The 2019 Form 990 is here: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/202101319...
In 2008, only three people at the WMF earned more than $100,000:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/200049703/2010_05_EO%...
In 2019, it was (at least) 165.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:44 AM Chris Keating < chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 00:45 Nathan, nawrich@gmail.com wrote: > >> I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, >> if any? >> > > According to Andreas's table there were 72 total employees. How many > were full time? Pass! > > But his numbers make little sense, so it's hard to draw conclusions > from them. > >> _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/... > To unsubscribe send an email to > wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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Thank you for engaging with this topic in public and doing the translation and sharing here (adding open-glam list).
Aside from being a nice Sunday read I think this is a super useful case study for people working in the cultural sector and advocacy for open. Was this published elsewhere in English?
I would love for us to have a better platform to comment and discuss individual aspects of both articles (Discourse as WM Spaces would be good - no?), but anyway few inline comments below.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:24 PM Christian Humborg < christian.humborg@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
we had articles in Germany published connecting the activities of Wikimedia Enterprise with our licensing advocacy. Please find below the article of a filmmaker, published last week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of the large German newspapers.
I see the article did not get a huge amount of comments and in that way it failed to attract much attention or there were echoes elsewhere? https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/wikimedia-plant-die-kommerzial...
Below you find our response, published this week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. I hope this is useful for further debates.
One needs to register (or even pay?) to get to this article? I wonder what was the quality and quantity of responses here? https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/wikimedia-ard-und-zdf-freie-lizenzen-...
Kind regards Christian
*Wikimedia perverts the common good* https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/wikimedia-plant-die-kommerzialisierung-ihrer-inhalte-17736141.html
*Wikimedia plans to commercialize its content. At the same time, the organization is lobbying hard to get its hands on high-quality free content from public broadcasters. This is ruining the filmmakers*.
The Wikipedia information platform has so far been financed by donations from Silicon Valley tech giants, among others. These include primarily the market-dominating Internet giants such as Google, Facebook, Apple et cetera, all of which earn money through traffic with content from Wikipedia. In specialist circles, these donations are regarded as a reciprocal business: Donors and Wikipedia profit from each other.
This is crude simplification... It would have been great for this to be responded to with some counter arguments or maybe it is still possible by WMF directly?
Wikimedia is the operating organization behind Wikipedia, but it has long been looking for a stable business model to finance itself. In the spring of 2021, Wikimedia finally announced that it would build a corporate interface that would simplify the automated use of Wikipedia content and for which commercial companies would pay. In other words: money is to be made with the content on Wikipedia. For example, with services such as the voice assistants Siri https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/siri or Alexa, which access content via Wikipedia. The donation business based on reciprocity, as described above, would thus be transformed into a proper business relationship. The name for it: Wikimedia Enterprise API.
I feel this is something WMF should also respond to with clarification, at least to the author and his society if not in FAZ, than on wikimedia.org.
For this business to be profitable in the long term, Wikimedia must ensure
the comprehensive supply of information on Wikipedia, but also enhance it for the social networks https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/soziale-netzwerke with high-quality images and films. Expanded offerings increase demand. And in order to secure the capital-rich clientele in the long term - according to the law of Internet capitalism - Wikipedia could also become the dominant platform in the education sector for images and films that can be accessed as free as possible.
This also posed some interesting questions for Wikimedians to discuss with so many failures in making Wikipedia media rich. Wikipedia copy-cat websites are in abundance (can it get worse?) and on the other hand there is next to zero effort (and resources allocated) to have position and relations formulated towards non-corporate social networks (not even when it is easy!).
Contempt for the state and collectivism
Wikimedia Deutschland's intensive lobbying campaign for so-called "free licenses", which has been ongoing for several years, should also be understood in this context. Public films, especially documentaries, are to be offered free of charge on Wikipedia via CC licensing (Creative Commons licenses). Many know this campaign under the formula "Public money = Public good". A vulgarization of the idea of the common good that devalues the legal status of goods whose production takes place through state redistribution or in publicly supported economic segments such as the film and television industry. The claim is an expression of a typical contemporary amalgamation of libertarian contempt for the state and collectivist ideals, which in this case hides quite shamelessly behind rhetoric about the common good and flickering fantasies of the "free Internet”.
CreativeCommons needs to address (with Wikimedians) some of these concerns much better and with more agility in next years as the set of licensing options is still narrow and totally content and context 'ignorant'. In that respect some of these concerns are at least partially valid.
In recent years, Wikimedia's lobbying activities around the reform of European copyright law have resulted in striking rejection from German production and copyright associations. With the public broadcasters, on the other hand, they have been somewhat successful: At the intensive instigation of Wikimedia, there have been pilot tests with CC-licensed clips from productions of the "Terra X" documentary series (ZDF) in the last two years. And indeed, CC clauses are increasingly found in the fine print of individual Terra X production contracts. This is the result of so-called "round tables" at which, it should be noted, no representation of the German producer community was present. Wikimedia, at any rate, is celebrating its statistics today; the Terra-X clips are generating respectable user numbers on the Wikipedia page.
It would be great to have links for all this... I was not aware of Terra X - sounds great as reference for other locals to advocate with public broadcasters.
The German film and television industry and all those creatively involved are now rubbing their eyes in the face of how this rose-tinted deception is catching on, not only among broadcaster executives but also in media policy circles. They have all failed to ask the obvious question: Why does Wikimedia need CC-licensed public service content at all? Wikimedia could also simply enter into a blanket licensing agreement with the relevant collecting societies such as VG Bild-Kunst. Just like schools, universities, and libraries do. And just as Wikimedia itself wants to conclude user agreements with Google https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/thema/google, Apple, Amazon or Facebook for facilitated access to content held on Wikipedia. It would be easy to solve all the legal issues. And thanks to the collecting societies that represent the interests of filmmakers, authors and ancillary copyright holders would also have their fair or livelihood-protecting share of the money flows.
This is hugely misinformed, but points to a need for better work on the side of Wikimedia to communicate this more clearly and prominently inside of existing interfaces and promotional work.
Propaganda for "free licenses"
Wikimedia has rejected VG Bild-Kunst's offer to license protected works. As long as its campaign in Germany has not completely failed, the organization is apparently continuing to speculate on CC-licensed, high-quality public-domain freeware, for which it does not have to conclude licensing agreements with the collecting societies precisely because it is already CC-licensed. A good deal for Wikimedia and the Internet giants. A disastrous one for the production landscape.
I fail to understand this without more context and links...
Notwithstanding. Self-publication of content via Creative Commons on subject-specific platforms or in social media makes perfect sense for certain content such as academic publications or even NGO or hobby films. Professional film works, on the other hand, always represent bundles of legally guaranteed legal rights for script, direction, production, camera, music et cetera. Films created under professional market conditions are simply not suitable for simplified publication via Creative Commons licensing.
This is not totally wrong. CC and others should address these issues with more complex mixed licensed works.
Wikimedia ignores these facts in its ongoing propaganda about "free licenses" and waves away the criticism with colorful flags that say "common good". In their own interest. At the expense of us filmmakers, at the expense of authors and copyright holders.
The German film and television landscape is facing enormous challenges due to the growing importance of platforms and the resulting dynamics in the audiovisual market. Perhaps as never before. At this time, it is crucial that those with political responsibility as well as the public broadcasters use these challenges in intensive dialog with filmmakers as an opportunity to sustainably strengthen the production landscape in all its diversity. Even better, to allow its creative power to unfold better than before.
What filmmakers need for this are stable legal foundations and fair market standards. The stickers with the vulgar formula "public money = public good" call these foundations into question. They should now finally be scraped off the windshields of media policy in Germany.
These few points are overly simplified and fairly naive in statements about market, production landscape diversity, creativity and what not, but is it maybe worth addressing the use of 'vulgar' in any follow-ups.
David Bernet is a documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK (Professional Association of Documentary Filmmakers in Germany).
Free licenses for the common good https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/wikimedia-ard-und-zdf-freie-lizenzen-fuer-das-gemeinwohl-17753492.html
by Dr. Christian Humborg, Executive Director of Wikimedia Deutschland
Public money - public good! With this formula, Wikimedia Deutschland is campaigning for knowledge content that is financed with tax money or the broadcasting fee to be available to everyone. Some see their business model threatened by this demand. "This is ruining filmmakers," reads an opinion piece published this week by documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK, David Bernet.
This is a view that ignores the possibility of new financing models, especially for filmmakers and media professionals - and above all the absolute necessity of finally adapting the public broadcasting system in Germany to the realities of the 21st century. Politicians and the broadcasting commissions of the federal states themselves have long recognized that something has to be done. Broadcasting content only via the traditional channels of radio and television no longer does justice to the mission of the public broadcasters. If you want to create good, reliable content for everyone, you have to offer it in the way it is used today: Accessible at any time, shareable, adaptable.
These are good points. Would be good to have a selection of examples useful for advocacy as case studies or references to point to.
It is alarming that, in this situation, creative people are being ground down in the dispute between content exploiters such as film companies and publishers, platforms, public broadcasters and politicians. But it is incomprehensible that David Bernet points the finger at Wikipedia and Wikimedia, of all places.
For me this is the key point in many ways to get creative people (not just their individual representatives) informed and supported in their work. Right now 'creatives' are now too often too dependent on corporate social media for visibility and promotion, so if there are no alternatives or even different directions for the future it is hard for them to be critical of big publishers and platforms.
The knowledge content financed by taxes and broadcasting fees is manifold, but access and use are anything but self-evident: Why are publicly financed research data behind paywalls of private specialist publishers? Why is the Axel Springer publishing house forced to acquire rights for the broadcast of the historically significant Elefantenrunde on election night? Why don't public broadcasters make these rights available from the outset, especially when it comes to purely in-house productions? Wikimedia is not concerned with entertainment or weekly sporting events. But publicly funded knowledge content should be free. It should be permanently findable, usable and available regardless of location.
Good point that in-house productions should be easier to clear and license under CreativeCommons in a semi-automatic way.
Freely licensed - and adequately funded
Creatives - apart from a few superstars - still earn far too little money from their valuable work. Interest groups and employer organizations, above all public broadcasters, urgently need to work on fair remuneration. At the same time, it is also a matter of greater public appreciation of their work. I hardly know any creatives who are only concerned about the money and not also about attention. Provided that they are fairly remunerated, free licenses can address both points.
If creators receive five euros for their content and another one euro each
for two subsequent uses, what would be so bad about it if they received seven euros instead and the work was free for that? Also in terms of predictable financial planning, I would prefer the latter. In fact, creatives are regularly confronted with so-called total buyout clauses as the only contract model, but without free licensing and without reuse options.
Free licenses can help address both points. There are other aspects and opportunities for remuneration for direct creation of work, but also beyond this (we should not only be centered on content, just because Wikipedia was historically centering only content and not communities, nor acknowledging context differences). For example Ireland just developed a kind of 'universal' basic income for the artists. https://basicincome.org/news/2021/11/universal-basic-income-pilot-for-artist...
Regardless of the financing, the free licensing of content often fails due to the lack of suitable contract templates. Experience shows that those who have to deal with the necessary formalities for every project again - and sometimes against resistance - quickly give up. Public broadcasters therefore urgently need to develop contract templates that enable editorial teams and commissioned creatives to produce content under free licenses in an uncomplicated and legally secure manner.
True, yet public broadcasters will not do much if they are not pressured by 'creatives' who need to be informed in order to be proactive. This really needs Wikimedians to work bottom up also.
One thing is clear: Whether creators are adequately compensated for their services by public broadcasters should not depend on licensing. Free licenses bring great advantages for broadcasters and society, such as simpler and longer-lasting usability, simpler rights clearance, and potentially greater visibility. These advantages should also be remunerated accordingly. In any case, creators and editors must be enabled to use free licenses without fear of loss of income.
Not just without fear of loss of income, but with substantial motivation from added visibility and increased sustainability of their work (where Wikimedia should help more).
One reason for the difficult negotiating position of creative professionals is the lack of a strong lobby. For the many creatives, negotiations on an equal footing would only be possible if individuals did not pull out. Just how difficult it is to act collectively in the face of monopolists was demonstrated again in the newspaper market last week, for example, when it became known that Madsack had signed a contract with Google for Showcase. The intention to bundle the negotiating power on the side of the content users in Corint Media did not work out at that point. The role of collecting societies is extremely important and it is to be welcomed that they are no longer allowed to represent only their members in some sectors.
I am not sure I understood it all fully, but guessing in Germany 'collecting societies' do not have monopolies (unlike in many other countries).
It's also about reach
Wikimedia has always urged rights compliance and at the same time called for the modernization of copyright where it no longer functions reasonably in a digital age. On the other hand, it was the large advertising platforms such as YouTube whose rise and growth would hardly have been conceivable without disregard for legal standards. Precisely because Wikimedia respects copyright, it relies on free licenses that make it possible for everyone to use and edit content permanently and in a legally secure manner.
Furthermore, Wikimedia welcomes all considerations for a non-commercial, European media platform as a basis for the exchange of publicly funded content. Instead, public broadcasters in EU member states mostly limit themselves to short-term collaborations, limited also by national exploitation licenses, while at the same time uploading content to globally available commercial platforms such as Youtube.
I am sorry to say but if 'Wikimedia welcomes all considerations...' this will never or not likely happen anytime soon. Wikimedia and EU based affiliates can not be a bystander (especially considering the visibility and experience of 20 years), but need to commit to work on this issue with others and bridge those short term (EU funded projects of collaborations).
The example of Terra X from ZDF shows that there are distribution alternatives, such as the Wikimedia platform Commons. The Terra X clips posted there alone currently achieve more than two million views per month. To put it in perspective, that's two million views more than if they were to appear only in the media libraries of the public broadcasters for a year.
Making Terra X clips available benefits the quality of Wikipedia, no question. But it primarily benefits the viewers - and it's good for Terra X's sustainable reach. Reaching many people is the mission of public broadcasters. Not to mention, Wikipedia articles committed to a neutral point of view are certainly a more suitable environment for public service information content than YouTube and other commercial platforms.
The collaboration between ZDF and Wikipedia on the Terra-X broadcast comes from a volunteer group. This group, "Wiki Loves Broadcast," points out in its response to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcast/Statement_zum_FAZ-Beitrag_vom_18.01.2022 David Bernet's post that it is solely up to the volunteer community to incorporate content like ZDF's clips into Wikipedia. Neither Wikimedia Deutschland nor the Wikimedia Foundation can influence this.
WMF and WM DE should not influence the project direction directly but give support to these initiatives if it did not before. Thank you for sharing this info.
Knowledge that belongs to everyone
Wikimedia is financially independent. Wikimedia is financed by donations and membership fees from the millions of people who use Wikipedia and other wiki projects. In concrete terms, Wikimedia Deutschland is backed by just under 100,000 association members. In total, more than 500,000 people supported Wikimedia Deutschland financially last year. In 2021, there was actually money from platforms. While the figure in 2020 was 0%, in 2021 it accounted for about 0.2% of revenue. I do not see any threat to independence in this order of magnitude.
Hm...
Internationally, too, millions of small donations ensure precisely this independence. For the coming year - as in previous years - we expect payments from companies and donations of more than $1,000 to account for less than 20% of the Wikimedia Foundation's total income.
It would be great to actually not claim just financial independence (valid only for WMF), but also interdependencies of participatory work of supportersvolunteers, contractors and staff with partners in the greater ecosystem of Wikimedia.
Two things are certain: Wikimedia cannot sell content at all, because Wikimedia does not own any content, unlike any creative person. No profit flows from Wikimedia to individuals, but all income is used solely for the non-profit projects. Personally, I'm glad that among the world's major internet platforms there is at least one that is not concerned with profit.
True. Good point to insert 21 years of continuity in this direction for both CreativeCommons and Wikipedia ;-)
As for the comments of Andreas...
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 9:39 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
I'd rather like to see you lobby to have programs permanently available on ARD's/ZDF's (German broadcasters') own media repository sites, where they can easily be linked to. The concentration of public media access in the hands of just a small number of US-based Big Tech companies that hoover up everything – which is the practical result of the strategy you advocate – is politically and economically unhealthy.
This is a really excellent point and worth investigating in and beyond WM DE only with partners at least in the EU where such regulations and commitments could be supported by the EU.
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
Rather then just discussing payroll of Wikimedia (in separate thread) I think it is useful to discuss what is the spectrum of options and what are the bottlenecks for the compensations to both diversify and distribute with equity in mind as well as for WMF to be acting with bigger commitment as supporter of all Wikimedia entities, participants and partnerships, than just easy and obvious ones.
Best Z. Blace
Dear Željko,
I wish to make a reply to some of the comments you raise - primarily to emphasise to the rest of the subscribers on this list that there is already an extensive community discussion about this Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) opinion column on the German Wikipedia 'Kurier' forum, starting from here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier#Antwort_von_Wiki_L... I encourage anyone who wishes to discuss the issues raised on the original, and the reply, articles - to do so at that forum.
Relatedly, there is also this point-by-point rebuttal thread on Twitter, which has been shared by WM-DE too: https://twitter.com/leonidobusch/status/1483409545473015810?s=21 [with each tweet being machine-translatable inside twitter's own interface].
But mostly, I wish to emphasise this letter, which written by the volunteer community leaders behind the "Wiki Loves Broadcast" (WLB) project. The FAZ opinion column is referring at a community-originating volunteer campaign to obtain free-licensing for audiovisual material produced for public service broadcasters. And so, I feel their response which should be the thing which is emphasised: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcast/Statement_zum_F... [English language machine-translated version: https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcas... ]. The WLB homepage is here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcast.%5B1]
To the other issues raised: The concept of a free-license means that anyone can use use the material for any purpose, including commercially: and as we know, many already do. The FAZ opinion column conflates this fundamental principle of free-licenses with an entirely separate project being run at the WMF. The "Enterprise" API project is not licensing content - everyone can *already* use it. Rather, it is a *service* with higher-speed/volume data throughput than could (or should) be provided for free for commercial organisations, who wish to use it. As we say: "Same water, thicker pipe." And ironically, for the argument being made in FAZ, this API does not include any multimedia content on Wikimedia projects. I say "should", because if it were a service provided at no-cost to largest commercial users, that would mean subsidising their business model with donors' money. Also, since Željko asked if there was any comments provided by the WMF, I would like to point out that myself and the WMF Comms team were coordinating with WM-DE last week about this reply article in FAZ. And furthermore that the *Enterprise *project FAQ on Meta - which is also fully translated into German, and has many responses regarding the financial and legal aspects https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Enterprise/FAQ
Sincerely, - Liam / Wittylama *Wikimedia Enterprise *Project Manager, WMF
[1] somewhat relatedly, I ran a similar campaign with the ABC in my home country Australia a decade ago, and every now and then I still see the video files from it appearing in unexpected places across the internet: https://diff.wikimedia.org/2012/03/25/abc-joins-wikimedia-in-sharing-histori...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 12:53, Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Thank you for engaging with this topic in public and doing the translation and sharing here (adding open-glam list).
Aside from being a nice Sunday read I think this is a super useful case study for people working in the cultural sector and advocacy for open. Was this published elsewhere in English?
I would love for us to have a better platform to comment and discuss individual aspects of both articles (Discourse as WM Spaces would be good - no?), but anyway few inline comments below.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:24 PM Christian Humborg < christian.humborg@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
we had articles in Germany published connecting the activities of Wikimedia Enterprise with our licensing advocacy. Please find below the article of a filmmaker, published last week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of the large German newspapers.
I see the article did not get a huge amount of comments and in that way it failed to attract much attention or there were echoes elsewhere?
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/wikimedia-plant-die-kommerzial...
Below you find our response, published this week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. I hope this is useful for further debates.
One needs to register (or even pay?) to get to this article? I wonder what was the quality and quantity of responses here?
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/wikimedia-ard-und-zdf-freie-lizenzen-...
Kind regards Christian
*Wikimedia perverts the common good* https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/wikimedia-plant-die-kommerzialisierung-ihrer-inhalte-17736141.html
*Wikimedia plans to commercialize its content. At the same time, the organization is lobbying hard to get its hands on high-quality free content from public broadcasters. This is ruining the filmmakers*.
The Wikipedia information platform has so far been financed by donations from Silicon Valley tech giants, among others. These include primarily the market-dominating Internet giants such as Google, Facebook, Apple et cetera, all of which earn money through traffic with content from Wikipedia. In specialist circles, these donations are regarded as a reciprocal business: Donors and Wikipedia profit from each other.
This is crude simplification... It would have been great for this to be responded to with some counter arguments or maybe it is still possible by WMF directly?
Wikimedia is the operating organization behind Wikipedia, but it has long been looking for a stable business model to finance itself. In the spring of 2021, Wikimedia finally announced that it would build a corporate interface that would simplify the automated use of Wikipedia content and for which commercial companies would pay. In other words: money is to be made with the content on Wikipedia. For example, with services such as the voice assistants Siri https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/siri or Alexa, which access content via Wikipedia. The donation business based on reciprocity, as described above, would thus be transformed into a proper business relationship. The name for it: Wikimedia Enterprise API.
I feel this is something WMF should also respond to with clarification, at least to the author and his society if not in FAZ, than on wikimedia.org.
For this business to be profitable in the long term, Wikimedia must
ensure the comprehensive supply of information on Wikipedia, but also enhance it for the social networks https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/soziale-netzwerke with high-quality images and films. Expanded offerings increase demand. And in order to secure the capital-rich clientele in the long term - according to the law of Internet capitalism - Wikipedia could also become the dominant platform in the education sector for images and films that can be accessed as free as possible.
This also posed some interesting questions for Wikimedians to discuss with so many failures in making Wikipedia media rich. Wikipedia copy-cat websites are in abundance (can it get worse?) and on the other hand there is next to zero effort (and resources allocated) to have position and relations formulated towards non-corporate social networks (not even when it is easy!).
Contempt for the state and collectivism
Wikimedia Deutschland's intensive lobbying campaign for so-called "free licenses", which has been ongoing for several years, should also be understood in this context. Public films, especially documentaries, are to be offered free of charge on Wikipedia via CC licensing (Creative Commons licenses). Many know this campaign under the formula "Public money = Public good". A vulgarization of the idea of the common good that devalues the legal status of goods whose production takes place through state redistribution or in publicly supported economic segments such as the film and television industry. The claim is an expression of a typical contemporary amalgamation of libertarian contempt for the state and collectivist ideals, which in this case hides quite shamelessly behind rhetoric about the common good and flickering fantasies of the "free Internet”.
CreativeCommons needs to address (with Wikimedians) some of these concerns much better and with more agility in next years as the set of licensing options is still narrow and totally content and context 'ignorant'. In that respect some of these concerns are at least partially valid.
In recent years, Wikimedia's lobbying activities around the reform of European copyright law have resulted in striking rejection from German production and copyright associations. With the public broadcasters, on the other hand, they have been somewhat successful: At the intensive instigation of Wikimedia, there have been pilot tests with CC-licensed clips from productions of the "Terra X" documentary series (ZDF) in the last two years. And indeed, CC clauses are increasingly found in the fine print of individual Terra X production contracts. This is the result of so-called "round tables" at which, it should be noted, no representation of the German producer community was present. Wikimedia, at any rate, is celebrating its statistics today; the Terra-X clips are generating respectable user numbers on the Wikipedia page.
It would be great to have links for all this... I was not aware of Terra X
- sounds great as reference for other locals to advocate with public
broadcasters.
The German film and television industry and all those creatively involved are now rubbing their eyes in the face of how this rose-tinted deception is catching on, not only among broadcaster executives but also in media policy circles. They have all failed to ask the obvious question: Why does Wikimedia need CC-licensed public service content at all? Wikimedia could also simply enter into a blanket licensing agreement with the relevant collecting societies such as VG Bild-Kunst. Just like schools, universities, and libraries do. And just as Wikimedia itself wants to conclude user agreements with Google https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/thema/google, Apple, Amazon or Facebook for facilitated access to content held on Wikipedia. It would be easy to solve all the legal issues. And thanks to the collecting societies that represent the interests of filmmakers, authors and ancillary copyright holders would also have their fair or livelihood-protecting share of the money flows.
This is hugely misinformed, but points to a need for better work on the side of Wikimedia to communicate this more clearly and prominently inside of existing interfaces and promotional work.
Propaganda for "free licenses"
Wikimedia has rejected VG Bild-Kunst's offer to license protected works. As long as its campaign in Germany has not completely failed, the organization is apparently continuing to speculate on CC-licensed, high-quality public-domain freeware, for which it does not have to conclude licensing agreements with the collecting societies precisely because it is already CC-licensed. A good deal for Wikimedia and the Internet giants. A disastrous one for the production landscape.
I fail to understand this without more context and links...
Notwithstanding. Self-publication of content via Creative Commons on subject-specific platforms or in social media makes perfect sense for certain content such as academic publications or even NGO or hobby films. Professional film works, on the other hand, always represent bundles of legally guaranteed legal rights for script, direction, production, camera, music et cetera. Films created under professional market conditions are simply not suitable for simplified publication via Creative Commons licensing.
This is not totally wrong. CC and others should address these issues with more complex mixed licensed works.
Wikimedia ignores these facts in its ongoing propaganda about "free licenses" and waves away the criticism with colorful flags that say "common good". In their own interest. At the expense of us filmmakers, at the expense of authors and copyright holders.
The German film and television landscape is facing enormous challenges due to the growing importance of platforms and the resulting dynamics in the audiovisual market. Perhaps as never before. At this time, it is crucial that those with political responsibility as well as the public broadcasters use these challenges in intensive dialog with filmmakers as an opportunity to sustainably strengthen the production landscape in all its diversity. Even better, to allow its creative power to unfold better than before.
What filmmakers need for this are stable legal foundations and fair market standards. The stickers with the vulgar formula "public money = public good" call these foundations into question. They should now finally be scraped off the windshields of media policy in Germany.
These few points are overly simplified and fairly naive in statements about market, production landscape diversity, creativity and what not, but is it maybe worth addressing the use of 'vulgar' in any follow-ups.
David Bernet is a documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK (Professional Association of Documentary Filmmakers in Germany).
Free licenses for the common good https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/wikimedia-ard-und-zdf-freie-lizenzen-fuer-das-gemeinwohl-17753492.html
by Dr. Christian Humborg, Executive Director of Wikimedia Deutschland
Public money - public good! With this formula, Wikimedia Deutschland is campaigning for knowledge content that is financed with tax money or the broadcasting fee to be available to everyone. Some see their business model threatened by this demand. "This is ruining filmmakers," reads an opinion piece published this week by documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK, David Bernet.
This is a view that ignores the possibility of new financing models, especially for filmmakers and media professionals - and above all the absolute necessity of finally adapting the public broadcasting system in Germany to the realities of the 21st century. Politicians and the broadcasting commissions of the federal states themselves have long recognized that something has to be done. Broadcasting content only via the traditional channels of radio and television no longer does justice to the mission of the public broadcasters. If you want to create good, reliable content for everyone, you have to offer it in the way it is used today: Accessible at any time, shareable, adaptable.
These are good points. Would be good to have a selection of examples useful for advocacy as case studies or references to point to.
It is alarming that, in this situation, creative people are being ground down in the dispute between content exploiters such as film companies and publishers, platforms, public broadcasters and politicians. But it is incomprehensible that David Bernet points the finger at Wikipedia and Wikimedia, of all places.
For me this is the key point in many ways to get creative people (not just their individual representatives) informed and supported in their work. Right now 'creatives' are now too often too dependent on corporate social media for visibility and promotion, so if there are no alternatives or even different directions for the future it is hard for them to be critical of big publishers and platforms.
The knowledge content financed by taxes and broadcasting fees is manifold, but access and use are anything but self-evident: Why are publicly financed research data behind paywalls of private specialist publishers? Why is the Axel Springer publishing house forced to acquire rights for the broadcast of the historically significant Elefantenrunde on election night? Why don't public broadcasters make these rights available from the outset, especially when it comes to purely in-house productions? Wikimedia is not concerned with entertainment or weekly sporting events. But publicly funded knowledge content should be free. It should be permanently findable, usable and available regardless of location.
Good point that in-house productions should be easier to clear and license under CreativeCommons in a semi-automatic way.
Freely licensed - and adequately funded
Creatives - apart from a few superstars - still earn far too little money from their valuable work. Interest groups and employer organizations, above all public broadcasters, urgently need to work on fair remuneration. At the same time, it is also a matter of greater public appreciation of their work. I hardly know any creatives who are only concerned about the money and not also about attention. Provided that they are fairly remunerated, free licenses can address both points.
If creators receive five euros for their content and another one euro each
for two subsequent uses, what would be so bad about it if they received seven euros instead and the work was free for that? Also in terms of predictable financial planning, I would prefer the latter. In fact, creatives are regularly confronted with so-called total buyout clauses as the only contract model, but without free licensing and without reuse options.
Free licenses can help address both points. There are other aspects and opportunities for remuneration for direct creation of work, but also beyond this (we should not only be centered on content, just because Wikipedia was historically centering only content and not communities, nor acknowledging context differences). For example Ireland just developed a kind of 'universal' basic income for the artists. https://basicincome.org/news/2021/11/universal-basic-income-pilot-for-artist...
Regardless of the financing, the free licensing of content often fails due to the lack of suitable contract templates. Experience shows that those who have to deal with the necessary formalities for every project again - and sometimes against resistance - quickly give up. Public broadcasters therefore urgently need to develop contract templates that enable editorial teams and commissioned creatives to produce content under free licenses in an uncomplicated and legally secure manner.
True, yet public broadcasters will not do much if they are not pressured by 'creatives' who need to be informed in order to be proactive. This really needs Wikimedians to work bottom up also.
One thing is clear: Whether creators are adequately compensated for their services by public broadcasters should not depend on licensing. Free licenses bring great advantages for broadcasters and society, such as simpler and longer-lasting usability, simpler rights clearance, and potentially greater visibility. These advantages should also be remunerated accordingly. In any case, creators and editors must be enabled to use free licenses without fear of loss of income.
Not just without fear of loss of income, but with substantial motivation from added visibility and increased sustainability of their work (where Wikimedia should help more).
One reason for the difficult negotiating position of creative professionals is the lack of a strong lobby. For the many creatives, negotiations on an equal footing would only be possible if individuals did not pull out. Just how difficult it is to act collectively in the face of monopolists was demonstrated again in the newspaper market last week, for example, when it became known that Madsack had signed a contract with Google for Showcase. The intention to bundle the negotiating power on the side of the content users in Corint Media did not work out at that point. The role of collecting societies is extremely important and it is to be welcomed that they are no longer allowed to represent only their members in some sectors.
I am not sure I understood it all fully, but guessing in Germany 'collecting societies' do not have monopolies (unlike in many other countries).
It's also about reach
Wikimedia has always urged rights compliance and at the same time called for the modernization of copyright where it no longer functions reasonably in a digital age. On the other hand, it was the large advertising platforms such as YouTube whose rise and growth would hardly have been conceivable without disregard for legal standards. Precisely because Wikimedia respects copyright, it relies on free licenses that make it possible for everyone to use and edit content permanently and in a legally secure manner.
Furthermore, Wikimedia welcomes all considerations for a non-commercial, European media platform as a basis for the exchange of publicly funded content. Instead, public broadcasters in EU member states mostly limit themselves to short-term collaborations, limited also by national exploitation licenses, while at the same time uploading content to globally available commercial platforms such as Youtube.
I am sorry to say but if 'Wikimedia welcomes all considerations...' this will never or not likely happen anytime soon. Wikimedia and EU based affiliates can not be a bystander (especially considering the visibility and experience of 20 years), but need to commit to work on this issue with others and bridge those short term (EU funded projects of collaborations).
The example of Terra X from ZDF shows that there are distribution alternatives, such as the Wikimedia platform Commons. The Terra X clips posted there alone currently achieve more than two million views per month. To put it in perspective, that's two million views more than if they were to appear only in the media libraries of the public broadcasters for a year.
Making Terra X clips available benefits the quality of Wikipedia, no question. But it primarily benefits the viewers - and it's good for Terra X's sustainable reach. Reaching many people is the mission of public broadcasters. Not to mention, Wikipedia articles committed to a neutral point of view are certainly a more suitable environment for public service information content than YouTube and other commercial platforms.
The collaboration between ZDF and Wikipedia on the Terra-X broadcast comes from a volunteer group. This group, "Wiki Loves Broadcast," points out in its response to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcast/Statement_zum_FAZ-Beitrag_vom_18.01.2022 David Bernet's post that it is solely up to the volunteer community to incorporate content like ZDF's clips into Wikipedia. Neither Wikimedia Deutschland nor the Wikimedia Foundation can influence this.
WMF and WM DE should not influence the project direction directly but give support to these initiatives if it did not before. Thank you for sharing this info.
Knowledge that belongs to everyone
Wikimedia is financially independent. Wikimedia is financed by donations and membership fees from the millions of people who use Wikipedia and other wiki projects. In concrete terms, Wikimedia Deutschland is backed by just under 100,000 association members. In total, more than 500,000 people supported Wikimedia Deutschland financially last year. In 2021, there was actually money from platforms. While the figure in 2020 was 0%, in 2021 it accounted for about 0.2% of revenue. I do not see any threat to independence in this order of magnitude.
Hm...
Internationally, too, millions of small donations ensure precisely this independence. For the coming year - as in previous years - we expect payments from companies and donations of more than $1,000 to account for less than 20% of the Wikimedia Foundation's total income.
It would be great to actually not claim just financial independence (valid only for WMF), but also interdependencies of participatory work of supportersvolunteers, contractors and staff with partners in the greater ecosystem of Wikimedia.
Two things are certain: Wikimedia cannot sell content at all, because Wikimedia does not own any content, unlike any creative person. No profit flows from Wikimedia to individuals, but all income is used solely for the non-profit projects. Personally, I'm glad that among the world's major internet platforms there is at least one that is not concerned with profit.
True. Good point to insert 21 years of continuity in this direction for both CreativeCommons and Wikipedia ;-)
As for the comments of Andreas...
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 9:39 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
I'd rather like to see you lobby to have programs permanently available on ARD's/ZDF's (German broadcasters') own media repository sites, where they can easily be linked to. The concentration of public media access in the hands of just a small number of US-based Big Tech companies that hoover up everything – which is the practical result of the strategy you advocate – is politically and economically unhealthy.
This is a really excellent point and worth investigating in and beyond WM DE only with partners at least in the EU where such regulations and commitments could be supported by the EU.
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
Rather then just discussing payroll of Wikimedia (in separate thread) I think it is useful to discuss what is the spectrum of options and what are the bottlenecks for the compensations to both diversify and distribute with equity in mind as well as for WMF to be acting with bigger commitment as supporter of all Wikimedia entities, participants and partnerships, than just easy and obvious ones.
Best Z. Blace
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Thanks, Christian and Liam -- this looks very nicely handled. Liam - wow, now that ABC link is really a blast from the past :) S
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 11:54 AM Liam Wyatt lwyatt@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear Željko,
I wish to make a reply to some of the comments you raise - primarily to emphasise to the rest of the subscribers on this list that there is already an extensive community discussion about this Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) opinion column on the German Wikipedia 'Kurier' forum, starting from here:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier#Antwort_von_Wiki_L... I encourage anyone who wishes to discuss the issues raised on the original, and the reply, articles - to do so at that forum.
Relatedly, there is also this point-by-point rebuttal thread on Twitter, which has been shared by WM-DE too: https://twitter.com/leonidobusch/status/1483409545473015810?s=21 [with each tweet being machine-translatable inside twitter's own interface].
But mostly, I wish to emphasise this letter, which written by the volunteer community leaders behind the "Wiki Loves Broadcast" (WLB) project. The FAZ opinion column is referring at a community-originating volunteer campaign to obtain free-licensing for audiovisual material produced for public service broadcasters. And so, I feel their response which should be the thing which is emphasised:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcast/Statement_zum_F... [English language machine-translated version: https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcas... ]. The WLB homepage is here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcast.%5B1]
To the other issues raised: The concept of a free-license means that anyone can use use the material for any purpose, including commercially: and as we know, many already do. The FAZ opinion column conflates this fundamental principle of free-licenses with an entirely separate project being run at the WMF. The "Enterprise" API project is not licensing content - everyone can *already* use it. Rather, it is a *service* with higher-speed/volume data throughput than could (or should) be provided for free for commercial organisations, who wish to use it. As we say: "Same water, thicker pipe." And ironically, for the argument being made in FAZ, this API does not include any multimedia content on Wikimedia projects. I say "should", because if it were a service provided at no-cost to largest commercial users, that would mean subsidising their business model with donors' money. Also, since Željko asked if there was any comments provided by the WMF, I would like to point out that myself and the WMF Comms team were coordinating with WM-DE last week about this reply article in FAZ. And furthermore that the *Enterprise *project FAQ on Meta - which is also fully translated into German, and has many responses regarding the financial and legal aspects https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Enterprise/FAQ
Sincerely,
- Liam / Wittylama
*Wikimedia Enterprise *Project Manager, WMF
[1] somewhat relatedly, I ran a similar campaign with the ABC in my home country Australia a decade ago, and every now and then I still see the video files from it appearing in unexpected places across the internet: https://diff.wikimedia.org/2012/03/25/abc-joins-wikimedia-in-sharing-histori...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 12:53, Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Thank you for engaging with this topic in public and doing the translation and sharing here (adding open-glam list).
Aside from being a nice Sunday read I think this is a super useful case study for people working in the cultural sector and advocacy for open. Was this published elsewhere in English?
I would love for us to have a better platform to comment and discuss individual aspects of both articles (Discourse as WM Spaces would be good - no?), but anyway few inline comments below.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:24 PM Christian Humborg < christian.humborg@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
we had articles in Germany published connecting the activities of Wikimedia Enterprise with our licensing advocacy. Please find below the article of a filmmaker, published last week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of the large German newspapers.
I see the article did not get a huge amount of comments and in that way it failed to attract much attention or there were echoes elsewhere?
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/wikimedia-plant-die-kommerzial...
Below you find our response, published this week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. I hope this is useful for further debates.
One needs to register (or even pay?) to get to this article? I wonder what was the quality and quantity of responses here?
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/wikimedia-ard-und-zdf-freie-lizenzen-...
Kind regards Christian
*Wikimedia perverts the common good* https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/wikimedia-plant-die-kommerzialisierung-ihrer-inhalte-17736141.html
*Wikimedia plans to commercialize its content. At the same time, the organization is lobbying hard to get its hands on high-quality free content from public broadcasters. This is ruining the filmmakers*.
The Wikipedia information platform has so far been financed by donations from Silicon Valley tech giants, among others. These include primarily the market-dominating Internet giants such as Google, Facebook, Apple et cetera, all of which earn money through traffic with content from Wikipedia. In specialist circles, these donations are regarded as a reciprocal business: Donors and Wikipedia profit from each other.
This is crude simplification... It would have been great for this to be responded to with some counter arguments or maybe it is still possible by WMF directly?
Wikimedia is the operating organization behind Wikipedia, but it has long been looking for a stable business model to finance itself. In the spring of 2021, Wikimedia finally announced that it would build a corporate interface that would simplify the automated use of Wikipedia content and for which commercial companies would pay. In other words: money is to be made with the content on Wikipedia. For example, with services such as the voice assistants Siri https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/siri or Alexa, which access content via Wikipedia. The donation business based on reciprocity, as described above, would thus be transformed into a proper business relationship. The name for it: Wikimedia Enterprise API.
I feel this is something WMF should also respond to with clarification, at least to the author and his society if not in FAZ, than on wikimedia.org.
For this business to be profitable in the long term, Wikimedia must
ensure the comprehensive supply of information on Wikipedia, but also enhance it for the social networks https://www.faz.net/aktuell/technik-motor/thema/soziale-netzwerke with high-quality images and films. Expanded offerings increase demand. And in order to secure the capital-rich clientele in the long term - according to the law of Internet capitalism - Wikipedia could also become the dominant platform in the education sector for images and films that can be accessed as free as possible.
This also posed some interesting questions for Wikimedians to discuss with so many failures in making Wikipedia media rich. Wikipedia copy-cat websites are in abundance (can it get worse?) and on the other hand there is next to zero effort (and resources allocated) to have position and relations formulated towards non-corporate social networks (not even when it is easy!).
Contempt for the state and collectivism
Wikimedia Deutschland's intensive lobbying campaign for so-called "free licenses", which has been ongoing for several years, should also be understood in this context. Public films, especially documentaries, are to be offered free of charge on Wikipedia via CC licensing (Creative Commons licenses). Many know this campaign under the formula "Public money = Public good". A vulgarization of the idea of the common good that devalues the legal status of goods whose production takes place through state redistribution or in publicly supported economic segments such as the film and television industry. The claim is an expression of a typical contemporary amalgamation of libertarian contempt for the state and collectivist ideals, which in this case hides quite shamelessly behind rhetoric about the common good and flickering fantasies of the "free Internet”.
CreativeCommons needs to address (with Wikimedians) some of these concerns much better and with more agility in next years as the set of licensing options is still narrow and totally content and context 'ignorant'. In that respect some of these concerns are at least partially valid.
In recent years, Wikimedia's lobbying activities around the reform of European copyright law have resulted in striking rejection from German production and copyright associations. With the public broadcasters, on the other hand, they have been somewhat successful: At the intensive instigation of Wikimedia, there have been pilot tests with CC-licensed clips from productions of the "Terra X" documentary series (ZDF) in the last two years. And indeed, CC clauses are increasingly found in the fine print of individual Terra X production contracts. This is the result of so-called "round tables" at which, it should be noted, no representation of the German producer community was present. Wikimedia, at any rate, is celebrating its statistics today; the Terra-X clips are generating respectable user numbers on the Wikipedia page.
It would be great to have links for all this... I was not aware of Terra X - sounds great as reference for other locals to advocate with public broadcasters.
The German film and television industry and all those creatively involved are now rubbing their eyes in the face of how this rose-tinted deception is catching on, not only among broadcaster executives but also in media policy circles. They have all failed to ask the obvious question: Why does Wikimedia need CC-licensed public service content at all? Wikimedia could also simply enter into a blanket licensing agreement with the relevant collecting societies such as VG Bild-Kunst. Just like schools, universities, and libraries do. And just as Wikimedia itself wants to conclude user agreements with Google https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/thema/google, Apple, Amazon or Facebook for facilitated access to content held on Wikipedia. It would be easy to solve all the legal issues. And thanks to the collecting societies that represent the interests of filmmakers, authors and ancillary copyright holders would also have their fair or livelihood-protecting share of the money flows.
This is hugely misinformed, but points to a need for better work on the side of Wikimedia to communicate this more clearly and prominently inside of existing interfaces and promotional work.
Propaganda for "free licenses"
Wikimedia has rejected VG Bild-Kunst's offer to license protected works. As long as its campaign in Germany has not completely failed, the organization is apparently continuing to speculate on CC-licensed, high-quality public-domain freeware, for which it does not have to conclude licensing agreements with the collecting societies precisely because it is already CC-licensed. A good deal for Wikimedia and the Internet giants. A disastrous one for the production landscape.
I fail to understand this without more context and links...
Notwithstanding. Self-publication of content via Creative Commons on subject-specific platforms or in social media makes perfect sense for certain content such as academic publications or even NGO or hobby films. Professional film works, on the other hand, always represent bundles of legally guaranteed legal rights for script, direction, production, camera, music et cetera. Films created under professional market conditions are simply not suitable for simplified publication via Creative Commons licensing.
This is not totally wrong. CC and others should address these issues with more complex mixed licensed works.
Wikimedia ignores these facts in its ongoing propaganda about "free licenses" and waves away the criticism with colorful flags that say "common good". In their own interest. At the expense of us filmmakers, at the expense of authors and copyright holders.
The German film and television landscape is facing enormous challenges due to the growing importance of platforms and the resulting dynamics in the audiovisual market. Perhaps as never before. At this time, it is crucial that those with political responsibility as well as the public broadcasters use these challenges in intensive dialog with filmmakers as an opportunity to sustainably strengthen the production landscape in all its diversity. Even better, to allow its creative power to unfold better than before.
What filmmakers need for this are stable legal foundations and fair market standards. The stickers with the vulgar formula "public money = public good" call these foundations into question. They should now finally be scraped off the windshields of media policy in Germany.
These few points are overly simplified and fairly naive in statements about market, production landscape diversity, creativity and what not, but is it maybe worth addressing the use of 'vulgar' in any follow-ups.
David Bernet is a documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK (Professional Association of Documentary Filmmakers in Germany).
Free licenses for the common good https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/wikimedia-ard-und-zdf-freie-lizenzen-fuer-das-gemeinwohl-17753492.html
by Dr. Christian Humborg, Executive Director of Wikimedia Deutschland
Public money - public good! With this formula, Wikimedia Deutschland is campaigning for knowledge content that is financed with tax money or the broadcasting fee to be available to everyone. Some see their business model threatened by this demand. "This is ruining filmmakers," reads an opinion piece published this week by documentary filmmaker and co-chair of AG DOK, David Bernet.
This is a view that ignores the possibility of new financing models, especially for filmmakers and media professionals - and above all the absolute necessity of finally adapting the public broadcasting system in Germany to the realities of the 21st century. Politicians and the broadcasting commissions of the federal states themselves have long recognized that something has to be done. Broadcasting content only via the traditional channels of radio and television no longer does justice to the mission of the public broadcasters. If you want to create good, reliable content for everyone, you have to offer it in the way it is used today: Accessible at any time, shareable, adaptable.
These are good points. Would be good to have a selection of examples useful for advocacy as case studies or references to point to.
It is alarming that, in this situation, creative people are being ground down in the dispute between content exploiters such as film companies and publishers, platforms, public broadcasters and politicians. But it is incomprehensible that David Bernet points the finger at Wikipedia and Wikimedia, of all places.
For me this is the key point in many ways to get creative people (not just their individual representatives) informed and supported in their work. Right now 'creatives' are now too often too dependent on corporate social media for visibility and promotion, so if there are no alternatives or even different directions for the future it is hard for them to be critical of big publishers and platforms.
The knowledge content financed by taxes and broadcasting fees is manifold, but access and use are anything but self-evident: Why are publicly financed research data behind paywalls of private specialist publishers? Why is the Axel Springer publishing house forced to acquire rights for the broadcast of the historically significant Elefantenrunde on election night? Why don't public broadcasters make these rights available from the outset, especially when it comes to purely in-house productions? Wikimedia is not concerned with entertainment or weekly sporting events. But publicly funded knowledge content should be free. It should be permanently findable, usable and available regardless of location.
Good point that in-house productions should be easier to clear and license under CreativeCommons in a semi-automatic way.
Freely licensed - and adequately funded
Creatives - apart from a few superstars - still earn far too little money from their valuable work. Interest groups and employer organizations, above all public broadcasters, urgently need to work on fair remuneration. At the same time, it is also a matter of greater public appreciation of their work. I hardly know any creatives who are only concerned about the money and not also about attention. Provided that they are fairly remunerated, free licenses can address both points.
If creators receive five euros for their content and another one euro
each for two subsequent uses, what would be so bad about it if they received seven euros instead and the work was free for that? Also in terms of predictable financial planning, I would prefer the latter. In fact, creatives are regularly confronted with so-called total buyout clauses as the only contract model, but without free licensing and without reuse options.
Free licenses can help address both points. There are other aspects and opportunities for remuneration for direct creation of work, but also beyond this (we should not only be centered on content, just because Wikipedia was historically centering only content and not communities, nor acknowledging context differences). For example Ireland just developed a kind of 'universal' basic income for the artists. https://basicincome.org/news/2021/11/universal-basic-income-pilot-for-artist...
Regardless of the financing, the free licensing of content often fails due to the lack of suitable contract templates. Experience shows that those who have to deal with the necessary formalities for every project again - and sometimes against resistance - quickly give up. Public broadcasters therefore urgently need to develop contract templates that enable editorial teams and commissioned creatives to produce content under free licenses in an uncomplicated and legally secure manner.
True, yet public broadcasters will not do much if they are not pressured by 'creatives' who need to be informed in order to be proactive. This really needs Wikimedians to work bottom up also.
One thing is clear: Whether creators are adequately compensated for their services by public broadcasters should not depend on licensing. Free licenses bring great advantages for broadcasters and society, such as simpler and longer-lasting usability, simpler rights clearance, and potentially greater visibility. These advantages should also be remunerated accordingly. In any case, creators and editors must be enabled to use free licenses without fear of loss of income.
Not just without fear of loss of income, but with substantial motivation from added visibility and increased sustainability of their work (where Wikimedia should help more).
One reason for the difficult negotiating position of creative professionals is the lack of a strong lobby. For the many creatives, negotiations on an equal footing would only be possible if individuals did not pull out. Just how difficult it is to act collectively in the face of monopolists was demonstrated again in the newspaper market last week, for example, when it became known that Madsack had signed a contract with Google for Showcase. The intention to bundle the negotiating power on the side of the content users in Corint Media did not work out at that point. The role of collecting societies is extremely important and it is to be welcomed that they are no longer allowed to represent only their members in some sectors.
I am not sure I understood it all fully, but guessing in Germany 'collecting societies' do not have monopolies (unlike in many other countries).
It's also about reach
Wikimedia has always urged rights compliance and at the same time called for the modernization of copyright where it no longer functions reasonably in a digital age. On the other hand, it was the large advertising platforms such as YouTube whose rise and growth would hardly have been conceivable without disregard for legal standards. Precisely because Wikimedia respects copyright, it relies on free licenses that make it possible for everyone to use and edit content permanently and in a legally secure manner.
Furthermore, Wikimedia welcomes all considerations for a non-commercial, European media platform as a basis for the exchange of publicly funded content. Instead, public broadcasters in EU member states mostly limit themselves to short-term collaborations, limited also by national exploitation licenses, while at the same time uploading content to globally available commercial platforms such as Youtube.
I am sorry to say but if 'Wikimedia welcomes all considerations...' this will never or not likely happen anytime soon. Wikimedia and EU based affiliates can not be a bystander (especially considering the visibility and experience of 20 years), but need to commit to work on this issue with others and bridge those short term (EU funded projects of collaborations).
The example of Terra X from ZDF shows that there are distribution alternatives, such as the Wikimedia platform Commons. The Terra X clips posted there alone currently achieve more than two million views per month. To put it in perspective, that's two million views more than if they were to appear only in the media libraries of the public broadcasters for a year.
Making Terra X clips available benefits the quality of Wikipedia, no question. But it primarily benefits the viewers - and it's good for Terra X's sustainable reach. Reaching many people is the mission of public broadcasters. Not to mention, Wikipedia articles committed to a neutral point of view are certainly a more suitable environment for public service information content than YouTube and other commercial platforms.
The collaboration between ZDF and Wikipedia on the Terra-X broadcast comes from a volunteer group. This group, "Wiki Loves Broadcast," points out in its response to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Broadcast/Statement_zum_FAZ-Beitrag_vom_18.01.2022 David Bernet's post that it is solely up to the volunteer community to incorporate content like ZDF's clips into Wikipedia. Neither Wikimedia Deutschland nor the Wikimedia Foundation can influence this.
WMF and WM DE should not influence the project direction directly but give support to these initiatives if it did not before. Thank you for sharing this info.
Knowledge that belongs to everyone
Wikimedia is financially independent. Wikimedia is financed by donations and membership fees from the millions of people who use Wikipedia and other wiki projects. In concrete terms, Wikimedia Deutschland is backed by just under 100,000 association members. In total, more than 500,000 people supported Wikimedia Deutschland financially last year. In 2021, there was actually money from platforms. While the figure in 2020 was 0%, in 2021 it accounted for about 0.2% of revenue. I do not see any threat to independence in this order of magnitude.
Hm...
Internationally, too, millions of small donations ensure precisely this independence. For the coming year - as in previous years - we expect payments from companies and donations of more than $1,000 to account for less than 20% of the Wikimedia Foundation's total income.
It would be great to actually not claim just financial independence (valid only for WMF), but also interdependencies of participatory work of supportersvolunteers, contractors and staff with partners in the greater ecosystem of Wikimedia.
Two things are certain: Wikimedia cannot sell content at all, because Wikimedia does not own any content, unlike any creative person. No profit flows from Wikimedia to individuals, but all income is used solely for the non-profit projects. Personally, I'm glad that among the world's major internet platforms there is at least one that is not concerned with profit.
True. Good point to insert 21 years of continuity in this direction for both CreativeCommons and Wikipedia ;-)
As for the comments of Andreas...
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 9:39 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
I'd rather like to see you lobby to have programs permanently available on ARD's/ZDF's (German broadcasters') own media repository sites, where they can easily be linked to. The concentration of public media access in the hands of just a small number of US-based Big Tech companies that hoover up everything – which is the practical result of the strategy you advocate – is politically and economically unhealthy.
This is a really excellent point and worth investigating in and beyond WM DE only with partners at least in the EU where such regulations and commitments could be supported by the EU.
As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be considered wealthy. A minor issue in the grand scheme of things, certainly, but still relevant to us here at least.
Rather then just discussing payroll of Wikimedia (in separate thread) I think it is useful to discuss what is the spectrum of options and what are the bottlenecks for the compensations to both diversify and distribute with equity in mind as well as for WMF to be acting with bigger commitment as supporter of all Wikimedia entities, participants and partnerships, than just easy and obvious ones.
Best Z. Blace
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