Am I the only one who thinks that discussing salaries (even if publicly
disclosed) of named persons on this mailing list is highly inappropriate?
(I have no relation to WMF or any of these persons, for the record).
Best
Yaroslav
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:45 PM Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Christophe,
"First year" applies in Jaime Villagomez' case (who took over as CFO on
Feb. 1, 2016). Thank you for pointing that out. If his 2016 salary of
$237,665 was only for eleven months (yielding an annual salary figure of
12/11 x 237,665 = 259,270), that does reduce the increase over three years
to about $30,000.
Toby Negrin and Lisa Seitz-Gruwell both joined before 2016, so no
first-year exception applies in their cases.
You say it's important to look at the percentage increases. Let's do so.
In Jaime's case, with 2016–2019 base salaries of $259,270 (est.),
$264,341, $275,495 and $289,356, I arrive at annual percentage increases of
2.0%, 4.2% and 5.0%.
In Lisa's case ($209,706, $216,556, $229,170, $252,117) I make the
increases 3.3%, 5.8%, 10.0%.
In Toby's case ($192,018, $214,504, $228,023, $237,992) the increases
were 11.7%, 6.3%, 4.4%.
Per the Form 990 info, WMF salary costs per head increased year-on-year by
13%, 7% and 6% (if you use Anne's method of calculating the average salary
cost per head; with the one I first used only the first figure would
change, to 15%, while the other two are unaffected).
As for market practice in the US, according to the US Average Wage
Index[1], the average increases in those years were 3.45%, 3.62% and 3.75%.
The above salary increases are well above these national averages. They
are also, it must be said, financed by fundraising banners making people
believe that Wikimedia is struggling to have enough money to keep Wikipedia
up and running.
Andreas
[1]
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awidevelop.html
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:05 PM Christophe Henner <
christophe.henner(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm sorry but I feel that discussion is loaded and meant to create a
heated debate and not provide good analysis data points.
I was surprised by your claims, so I picked one example, not giving names
to not single anyone out.
First, you assume the first year is systematically a full year, it never
is. And yes even if you arrive mid january, it does take a dent in your
yearly compensation (it represents 5%).
Second, you voluntarily speak in numbers and not ratio, which makes all
data easy to twist. The one I checked had a 4% to 6% yearly salary increase
which all in all is market practice in the US (we can argue about the
discrepancies but hey).
Third, even if you spot a higher increase, going into personal details
about the increase is meaningless (such increases can be related to pre
negotiated increase, to planned catch up on cost of living, on role change,
role expansion, new responsibilities, beyond expectations achievements, a
load of valid HR reasons).
If only on very specific and verifiable data points like those I can find
how you distort reality to fit your narrative I can only assume you are
doing the same for the rest of the discussion.
Public eye provides a safeguard for problems and financial abuses, yes
(and that's why 503c are public).
But twisting those data to spread gratuitous shade on people working for
the Foundation (and even naming them) is wrong and honestly shows a lack of
empathy (you don't care about how people can live when their integrity is
attacked while they are committed).
So I am happy to jump in Spreadsheet and discuss compensations, but if we
are to do it, let's at the very least do it with a benevolent approach and
minding the people whose job is talked about.
Just a bit of empathy and care goes a long way :)
--
Christophe
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 15:20, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Correction:
The 2016 base salary figure for Lisa in my previous mail should have
read $209,706, not $192,018.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:55 PM Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Chris,
All the numbers are taken from the official Form 990s filed. You can
verify them for yourself here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703
There is also a table of top-earners' base salaries on Meta, with data
taken from the Form 990:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_salaries
Have a look. They show various individuals' salaries increasing by
remarkable amounts in recent years.
Jaime Villagomez' base salary for example increased by more than
$50,000 in three years, from $237,665 in 2016 to $289,356 in 2019.
Toby Negrin's base salary increased by more than $45,000 over the same
time period (from $192,018 to $237,992).
Lisa Seitz-Gruwell's base salary increased by more than $40,000 over
that period (from $192,018 to $252,117).
These are all base salaries, excluding "other compensation", which adds
another $34K, $33K and $21K to the salary figures for these three
individuals, respectively.
You can find the above figures on Page 7 of the following forms:
The 2016 Form 990 is here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/20182134…
The 2019 Form 990 is here:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/200049703/20210131…
In 2008, only three people at the WMF earned more than $100,000:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/200049703/2010_05_EO…
In 2019, it was (at least) 165.
Andreas
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:44 AM Chris Keating <
chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 00:45 Nathan, <nawrich(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suspect there weren't that many FT employees of the WMF in 2008, if
>> any?
>>
>
> According to Andreas's table there were 72 total employees. How many
> were full time? Pass!
>
> But his numbers make little sense, so it's hard to draw conclusions
> from them.
>
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