Hi Andreas,
I would find interesting to have a copy of that video on Commons. It might for example let the community use curration/translation facilities of subtitles of our platform. According to the bottomline "Unless otherwise noted this site and its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license.", but the video is stored on youtube, so I'm not sure the statement applies.
Actually, I don't know if that's already something on rails somewhere, but encouraging educational establishment to publish their multimedia works on commons should be targeted. All the more when they are already publishing works under a free license. :)
Kind regards
Le 22/10/2017 à 14:00, wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org a écrit :
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2017 03:20:57 +0100 From: Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Berkman Klein Center: Will Wikipedia exist in 20 years? Message-ID: CAHRTtW8fFhvjVoKX_D8NrLL7JrcWHa02yNc2JWs5e3APuOAKSw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Video featuring Katherine Maher, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, in conversation with Harvard Law School Professor Yochai Benkler:
https://cyber.harvard.edu/events/2017/luncheon/10/Maher
The material in this video touches on many points related to the Wikimedia movement's strategic direction, as discussed in other current threads on this list.
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On 24/10/2017 17:39, mathieu stumpf guntz wrote:
Hi Andreas,
I would find interesting to have a copy of that video on Commons. It might for example let the community use curration/translation facilities of subtitles of our platform. According to the bottomline "Unless otherwise noted this site and its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license.", but the video is stored on youtube, so I'm not sure the statement applies.
Actually, I don't know if that's already something on rails somewhere, but encouraging educational establishment to publish their multimedia works on commons should be targeted. All the more when they are already publishing works under a free license. :)
If you look at the video on Youtube[1], it says that its license is indeed CC-BY (and indeed CC-BY 3.0 Unported, more info on this page[2])
So, I think that this can be uploaded also on Commons without issue.
On 22/10/2017 04:20, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Video featuring Katherine Maher, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, in conversation with Harvard Law School Professor Yochai Benkler:
https://cyber.harvard.edu/events/2017/luncheon/10/Maher
The material in this video touches on many points related to the Wikimedia movement's strategic direction, as discussed in other current threads on this list.
The video us very interesting because on one hand there is basically a recap of what the strategic process has been, with data and results - and this is mainly covered during kathering's presentation - but there are also many insights on the "inner workings" of that process and, finally, some of Katherine's viewpoints (during the discussion).
So I recommend watching the video as well.
Cristian
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oQF3jdaocM [2]: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797468
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:20 PM Cristian Consonni cristian@balist.es wrote:
On 24/10/2017 17:39, mathieu stumpf guntz wrote:
I would find interesting to have a copy of that video on Commons. It might for example let the community use curration/translation facilities of subtitles of our platform. According to the bottomline "Unless otherwise noted this site and its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license.", but the video is stored on youtube, so I'm not sure the statement applies.
Actually, I don't know if that's already something on rails somewhere, but encouraging educational establishment to publish their multimedia works on commons should be targeted. All the more when they are already publishing works under a free license. :)
If you look at the video on Youtube[1], it says that its license is indeed CC-BY (and indeed CC-BY 3.0 Unported, more info on this page[2])
So, I think that this can be uploaded also on Commons without issue.
This is now done: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Wikipedia_exist_in_20_years-.we...
A.
Great, thank you Asaf.
Would it possible (both technically and legally) to also transfer subtitles? They would surely need some fixes, as it's automated (I guess) transcription , but it would probably be less workload than a transcription from scratch. If so, I would be happy to translate it to Esperanto — and the more obscure French language. ;)
Ĝis baldaŭ
Le 24/10/2017 à 22:08, Asaf Bartov a écrit :
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:20 PM Cristian Consonni cristian@balist.es wrote:
On 24/10/2017 17:39, mathieu stumpf guntz wrote:
I would find interesting to have a copy of that video on Commons. It might for example let the community use curration/translation facilities of subtitles of our platform. According to the bottomline "Unless otherwise noted this site and its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license.", but the video is stored on youtube, so I'm not sure the statement applies.
Actually, I don't know if that's already something on rails somewhere, but encouraging educational establishment to publish their multimedia works on commons should be targeted. All the more when they are already publishing works under a free license. :)
If you look at the video on Youtube[1], it says that its license is indeed CC-BY (and indeed CC-BY 3.0 Unported, more info on this page[2])
So, I think that this can be uploaded also on Commons without issue.
This is now done: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Wikipedia_exist_in_20_years-.we...
A.
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On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:32 PM mathieu stumpf guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Great, thank you Asaf.
Would it possible (both technically and legally) to also transfer subtitles? They would surely need some fixes, as it's automated (I guess) transcription , but it would probably be less workload than a transcription from scratch. If so, I would be happy to translate it to Esperanto — and the more obscure French language. ;)
It would have been possible, had there been any subtitles. It seems the YouTube version at the moment contains only machine-generated subtitles, and those are not available in the same mechanism as human-generated subtitles, so the (wonderful) video2commons tool could not import them.
Cheers,
A.
You can download the Youtube machine-generated subtitles, but they are not really good (in terms of spelling, etc.). If someone is eager to review them, I'm happy to upload them.
Cheers Cornelius
On 25 October 2017 at 16:39, Asaf Bartov asaf.bartov@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:32 PM mathieu stumpf guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Great, thank you Asaf.
Would it possible (both technically and legally) to also transfer subtitles? They would surely need some fixes, as it's automated (I guess) transcription , but it would probably be less workload than a
transcription
from scratch. If so, I would be happy to translate it to Esperanto — and the more obscure French language. ;)
It would have been possible, had there been any subtitles. It seems the YouTube version at the moment contains only machine-generated subtitles, and those are not available in the same mechanism as human-generated subtitles, so the (wonderful) video2commons tool could not import them.
Cheers,
A.
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Yes, please, it would be warly welcome. Sure they are not good, but still it might greatly help, especially if they come with relevant timecodes.
Kind regards
Le 26/10/2017 à 01:07, Cornelius Kibelka a écrit :
You can download the Youtube machine-generated subtitles, but they are not really good (in terms of spelling, etc.). If someone is eager to review them, I'm happy to upload them.
Cheers Cornelius
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On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:32 PM mathieu stumpf guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org <mailto:psychoslave@culture-libre.org>> wrote: > Great, thank you Asaf. > > Would it possible (both technically and legally) to also transfer > subtitles? They would surely need some fixes, as it's automated (I guess) > transcription , but it would probably be less workload than a transcription > from scratch. If so, I would be happy to translate it to Esperanto — and > the more obscure French language. ;) > It would have been possible, had there been any subtitles. It seems the YouTube version at the moment contains only machine-generated subtitles, and those are not available in the same mechanism as human-generated subtitles, so the (wonderful) video2commons tool could not import them. Cheers, A. > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org>?subject=unsubscribe>-- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
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I've added them.
Cheers Cornelius
On 26 October 2017 at 11:13, mathieu stumpf guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Yes, please, it would be warly welcome. Sure they are not good, but still it might greatly help, especially if they come with relevant timecodes.
Kind regards
Le 26/10/2017 à 01:07, Cornelius Kibelka a écrit :
You can download the Youtube machine-generated subtitles, but they are not really good (in terms of spelling, etc.). If someone is eager to review them, I'm happy to upload them.
Cheers Cornelius
On 25 October 2017 at 16:39, Asaf Bartov asaf.bartov@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:32 PM mathieu stumpf guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Great, thank you Asaf.
Would it possible (both technically and legally) to also transfer subtitles? They would surely need some fixes, as it's automated (I
guess)
transcription , but it would probably be less workload than a
transcription
from scratch. If so, I would be happy to translate it to Esperanto — and the more obscure French language. ;)
It would have been possible, had there been any subtitles. It seems the YouTube version at the moment contains only machine-generated subtitles, and those are not available in the same mechanism as human-generated subtitles, so the (wonderful) video2commons tool could not import them.
Cheers,
A.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_Wikipedia%27s_end
Thanks Andreas, Mathieu, Christian, Asaf, Cornelius, and SJ for advancing the conversation and promoting the video. I felt inspired also so I started an article on English Wikipedia.
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
I've added them.
Cheers Cornelius
On 26 October 2017 at 11:13, mathieu stumpf guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Yes, please, it would be warly welcome. Sure they are not good, but still it might greatly help, especially if they come with relevant timecodes.
Kind regards
Le 26/10/2017 à 01:07, Cornelius Kibelka a écrit :
You can download the Youtube machine-generated subtitles, but they are
not
really good (in terms of spelling, etc.). If someone is eager to review them, I'm happy to upload them.
Cheers Cornelius
On 25 October 2017 at 16:39, Asaf Bartov asaf.bartov@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:32 PM mathieu stumpf guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Great, thank you Asaf.
Would it possible (both technically and legally) to also transfer subtitles? They would surely need some fixes, as it's automated (I
guess)
transcription , but it would probably be less workload than a
transcription
from scratch. If so, I would be happy to translate it to Esperanto —
and
the more obscure French language. ;)
It would have been possible, had there been any subtitles. It seems the YouTube version at the moment contains only machine-generated subtitles, and those are not available in the same mechanism as human-generated subtitles, so the (wonderful) video2commons tool could not import them.
Cheers,
A.
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Anyone know if it's possible to add comment in subtitles, I tried with a "#" at the beginning of line, but it looks like it will just crash the parser. I didn't found anything in the documentation https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Universal_Subtitles.
Moreover, editing raw text in mediawiki in one tab and hearing at the video in an other is probably not the most convenient graphical user interface to make subtitle review, and trying to translate it on the fly is surely even worse. :) Now the above documentation speak about Amara, but I'm not sure how it's interfaced or not with Commons.
Please feel free to forward this email to wherever you feel more appropriate.
Cheers
Le 26/10/2017 à 21:01, Lane Rasberry a écrit :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_Wikipedia%27s_end
Thanks Andreas, Mathieu, Christian, Asaf, Cornelius, and SJ for advancing the conversation and promoting the video. I felt inspired also so I started an article on English Wikipedia.
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
I've added them.
Cheers Cornelius
On 26 October 2017 at 11:13, mathieu stumpf guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Yes, please, it would be warly welcome. Sure they are not good, but still it might greatly help, especially if they come with relevant timecodes.
Kind regards
Le 26/10/2017 à 01:07, Cornelius Kibelka a écrit :
You can download the Youtube machine-generated subtitles, but they are
not
really good (in terms of spelling, etc.). If someone is eager to review them, I'm happy to upload them.
Cheers Cornelius
On 25 October 2017 at 16:39, Asaf Bartov asaf.bartov@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:32 PM mathieu stumpf guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:
Great, thank you Asaf.
Would it possible (both technically and legally) to also transfer subtitles? They would surely need some fixes, as it's automated (I
guess)
transcription , but it would probably be less workload than a
transcription
from scratch. If so, I would be happy to translate it to Esperanto —
and
the more obscure French language. ;)
It would have been possible, had there been any subtitles. It seems the YouTube version at the moment contains only machine-generated subtitles, and those are not available in the same mechanism as human-generated subtitles, so the (wonderful) video2commons tool could not import them.
Cheers,
A.
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On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Cristian Consonni cristian@balist.es wrote:
If you look at the video on Youtube[1], it says that its license is
indeed CC-BY (and indeed CC-BY 3.0 Unported, more info on this page[2])
So, I think that this can be uploaded also on Commons without issue.
Yes! Thanks Asaf for the upload.
Katherine's talk was a welcome update & provocation. A few notes from the afternoon discussion w/Berkman fellows that followed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14QYg3iNWFIvWXkWALLxbYzuDS3Tj9faltJKwoHuh...
Sam.
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