Aside from the whole idea of a neutrality policy that thinks Wikipedia
wasn't neutral on either Climate Change or Covid19, and a board that is 60%
founders votes rather than the 9% of the WMF. Justapedia doesn't want
breaking news of anything that has happened in the last 7 days.
My prediction is that if the site does get any traction, and there are
millions of antivaxxers and climate change deniers who might well prefer it
to Wikipedia, the 7 day thing will bite them hard.
When famous people die, Wikipedia gets extra visitors to those pages. If
Justapedia had been around at the time of Michael Jackson's death, or of
Osama Bin Laden's, this policy alone would have led to conflict, or been
quickly abandoned. Here in the UK there will be a General Election in the
next 17 months, a large number of Wikipedia articles will be updated very
quickly with the results, probably including a new Prime minister. If
Justapedia is still around for the next UK General Election, and if it has
taken even 1% of Wikipedia's audience and community, then either this
policy will be abandoned or the people who enforce it will have to revert
loads of edits by newbies. Justapedia may not want "thought police" and may
aspire to be collegial "The Justapedia Foundation firmly believes in
maintaining a collegial environment for our volunteers"
but
this policy alone will make them a non collegial place, even if they
succeed in recruiting a community of people who share their views on
Climate Change and Covid19.
I'm aware that there are deep tensions within our community, and not just
between the on and off wiki components. I wasn't surprised to see a new
fork come forth, and if the intent, remit and design had been different
then I might well have created an account there and at the least had a foot
in both camps. As it is, I can't see Justapedia becoming something I would
like to donate my time to. But then I doubt they'd want me anyway
given that I accept the science on Climate Change and Covid19..
WSC
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 12:00:44 +0100
From: David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous
communist Jimmy Wales
-d.
On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda.
Vito
Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder158(a)hotmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation
=
Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply
that they actually think that.
>
> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.
>
> Galder
> ________________________________
> From: Lauren Worden <laurenworden89(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
>
> The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia
> bias I can find on
>
https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are
> climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think
> Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions.
>
> Perhaps Atsme can clarify?
>
> -LW
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Justapedia
> >
> >
> > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows
"disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with
"information" in
determining "truth" suggests.
> >
> > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:
> >
> > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions
regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve
to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are
required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"
> >
> >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
> >
> >
> > Oh, please. Do better than that.
> >
> >
> > [1]
https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png
> >
> > [2]
https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board
> >
> > _____
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