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- Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group (Jan-Bart de Vreede)
- Re: Fwd: "Free Culture Conservancy" exploratory meeting in NY, April 12th. (David Gerard)
- Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group (Jan-Bart de Vreede)
- Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group (Thomas Dalton)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:54:48 +0200 From: Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevreede@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group Message-ID: 37B6DB8B-BE16-47EF-AD30-8562CDB61885@wikimedia.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I was assuming that the questions were asked to Barry, who would know the answer. I would not presume to do it for him, and I do not know the best answer :)
What I was literally reacting to was your assumption that because no one has told you why it is necessary, it must be unnecessary. I assume that Barry has a good reason for doing things the way he plans to do them. It is fine to ask questions and clarification, but lets assume that he thought about this and has good arguments :)
Jan-Bart
On 10 apr. 2012, at 14:09, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 10 April 2012 12:57, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevreede@wikimedia.org wrote:
Why do you insist that overhead on getting this right is unnecessary? Looking at the amount of money that this committee will distribute and the importance of getting it right I would argue that a significant investment is more than warranted.
Because nobody has told me why it is necessary. Of course we need to get it right, but I don't think that requires this much time and money to be dedicated to it. If it really does need it, then of course we should spend it, but we shouldn't spend it without a very clear reason for doing so.
I've asked a very simple question, could you answer it? What questions do you want this process to answer? What it is about the FDC that we don't yet know and need to devote a lot of time and money to working out?
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:54:56 +0100 From: David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: "Free Culture Conservancy" exploratory meeting in NY, April 12th. Message-ID: CAJ0tu1G+BqN1RwZUytjQ92sb7-8V4juyEvqUK3Z1GfTAJfhDoQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On 10 April 2012 13:42, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
a) acquire copyrights (probably by bequest) in order to freely license them; b) act as a clearinghouse to support "selling" the free licensing of creative works (we pay you $1,000, you release your novel as CC-BY-SA) c) support people contesting dubious takedown notices d) support and train people in freely licensing their own work (distribution logistics, negotiating with publishers, etc)
There are people trying to do this with out-of-print science fiction, for example. AIUI, one of the big problems is author's estates with wild ideas of what an out-of-print midlist novel from the 1960s is actually worth (demanding ~$100k, etc). It's a tricky one. But successes would presumably snowball.
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:56:52 +0200 From: Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevreede@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group Message-ID: FBBA7E53-E9CF-4096-9D66-1B5F179FD99F@wikimedia.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On 10 apr. 2012, at 14:31, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 10 April 2012 13:25, Christophe Henner christophe.henner@gmail.com wrote:
Here is my understanding of the goal of this committee, but I might be wrong.
The board defined the broader lines of the committee, but did not tackled the operational details. Bridgespan is there to work on that, and the Advisory Groups is there to help them define the operational details.
Can you elaborate on what you see as being the "operational details" that need to be defined?
Sure
"just about everything"
as in
- Who should be on this committee
- On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants for
example) 3) What are criteria 4) What is the process/timeline
- 401 other things that we can come up with as questions.
Jan-Bart
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On 10 April 2012 13:56, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevreede@wikimedia.org wrote:
Sure
"just about everything"
as in
- Who should be on this committee
- On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants
for example) 3) What are criteria 4) What is the process/timeline
- 401 other things that we can come up with as questions.
But how many of those things are actually going to be difficult or controversial? Shouldn't we at least try and answer them using our standard approach of having an open discussion on a wiki? If it turns out we can't answer them that way, then we can try a more elaborate approach then.
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:10:23 +0200 From: "Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)" smazeland@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Foundation foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-04-18 16:30 UTC Message-ID: CAMoMWq1rCmOYC_gx8TqY43MZ+FPXrSiErCmr+AZM1DYJTxDokA@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi everyone,
I just wanted to give advance notice about IRC office hours with the Localization team [1] at the Wikimedia Foundation.
Date: 2012-04-18 (every third Wednesday of the month from now on) Time: 16.30 UTC Venue: #wikimedia-office
As usual, more logistical info and time conversion links are available on Meta.[2] For a taste of what the localization team has been up to, I highly recommend the blog posts we are have written since out last office hours in February.[3]
Thanks, and we'll talk to you later next week!
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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:37:38 -0400 From: Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group Message-ID: CAAtU9WL9U6qTLGFG8V3qfXD5MDnXpqD_92WxRHogRWsbPAu7dA@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
But how many of those things are actually going to be difficult or controversial? Shouldn't we at least try and answer them using our standard approach of having an open discussion on a wiki? If it turns out we can't answer them that way, then we can try a more elaborate approach then.
Naturally the process should be public and inclusive. I expect most of this group's work would involve open discussion on wikis. Wiki discussions can be enhanced by calls and in-person meetings, suitably transcribed and shared - especially when getting input from people who are not active wiki users.
A structure and timeline for work, and a group of committed good-faith participants to provide a steady core for ongoing discussion, is a good idea for any time-sensitive project. We don't want to appoint FDC members themselves without more discussion and perhaps a distributed selection process, but the background work should begin as soon as possible.
As to 'which things would be controversial': as you demonstrated here, even simple discussions can be dominated by a determined critic.
SJ
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:50:21 +0100 From: Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonewiki@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Sister Projects Committee Message-ID: CADcRDcZS=7gh=opwZmBx3-7Dv1yksMPE629Nm8it4UH2+hjCkQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi all,
The Sister Projects Committee is now a more formal committee, and as such, there's a list of things to do at < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sister_Projects_Committee#Task_list%3E. The plan is to discuss all the topics on the talk page and this mailing list when we are looking for wider community input. If you are interested in joining the committee or helping out, please have a look at the talk page, < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sister_Projects_Committee%3E, where I've split up each topic area into a different section so that discussions can take place.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask on this mailing list or on the talk page. :-) -- Thehelpfulone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone English Wikipedia Administrator
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:54:14 +0100 From: Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] BBC Open Content Message-ID: 4F8457A6.8060707@wikimedia.org.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Looks like the BBC are now starting to use goodly amounts of open content. One that's caught my eye is a piece on the seige of Sarajevo, part of which is CC-BY-SA licenced, at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17617775.
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Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Thanks in anticipation :)
Best, Heather.
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Hello,
Myself, I have a presentation which shows a basic wiki principle; I noticed that showing the same thing onwiki would make me jumping too much from page to page. Showing Wikipedia functionalities then onwiki I call "Wikipedia surfing" (version history, talk pages etc.). If it is a workshop with the intention to make people edit then I create a "pseudo encyclopedia" on user subpages. That's a number of simplified Wikipedia articles with hardly any markup. From article to article, the complexity and amount of wikisyntax grows. The newbies in groups of 2 correct the language and content (I put in some errors for them). I prefer that because editing real WP makes people anxious, and I want to be undisturbed with the newbies. Kind regards Ziko
2012/4/11 Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com:
Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Thanks in anticipation :)
Best, Heather.
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[create some simple userspace articles for newbies to correct and edit]
Great idea, Ziko! Thanks for sharing. I'll definitely do this when I do some training.
Thanks, Ziko. That's really interesting and sounds like an effective way of getting them started.
I'm curious what kinds of problems people contact you about when they start editing for real?
On Apr 12, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Hello,
Myself, I have a presentation which shows a basic wiki principle; I noticed that showing the same thing onwiki would make me jumping too much from page to page. Showing Wikipedia functionalities then onwiki I call "Wikipedia surfing" (version history, talk pages etc.). If it is a workshop with the intention to make people edit then I create a "pseudo encyclopedia" on user subpages. That's a number of simplified Wikipedia articles with hardly any markup. From article to article, the complexity and amount of wikisyntax grows. The newbies in groups of 2 correct the language and content (I put in some errors for them). I prefer that because editing real WP makes people anxious, and I want to be undisturbed with the newbies. Kind regards Ziko
2012/4/11 Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com:
Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Thanks in anticipation :)
Best, Heather.
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Hello, I accompany people in real life mostly in an early phase, or I supervise them in a way that the result is not problematic. How people later survive onwiki on their own - I usually don't come to know. We discussed this in Germany and thought that for privacy reasons we also don't want follow people from the courses. If they later write me an e-mail, I woudl know (I put a pile of business cards on my desk), but this hardly ever happens.
We have booklets from WMDE (1x1, Wikimedia Commons), but frankly, I am not very happy with them. For starters, they have no page numbers, so you can't simple tell people to look at a certain page for a certain code... we really need some good teaching aids, for specific lessons.
Kind regards Ziko
2012/4/12 Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com:
Thanks, Ziko. That's really interesting and sounds like an effective way of getting them started.
I'm curious what kinds of problems people contact you about when they start editing for real?
On Apr 12, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Hello,
Myself, I have a presentation which shows a basic wiki principle; I noticed that showing the same thing onwiki would make me jumping too much from page to page. Showing Wikipedia functionalities then onwiki I call "Wikipedia surfing" (version history, talk pages etc.). If it is a workshop with the intention to make people edit then I create a "pseudo encyclopedia" on user subpages. That's a number of simplified Wikipedia articles with hardly any markup. From article to article, the complexity and amount of wikisyntax grows. The newbies in groups of 2 correct the language and content (I put in some errors for them). I prefer that because editing real WP makes people anxious, and I want to be undisturbed with the newbies. Kind regards Ziko
2012/4/11 Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com:
Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Thanks in anticipation :)
Best, Heather.
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Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Have a look at the Outreach Bookshelf: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf
"Welcome to Wikipedia" is well-used by Wikimedia UK.
(And if anyone else has outreach materials, please do add them to the Bookshelf)
Chris Wikimedia UK
There is also a ton of case studies and best practices developed by the GLAM WIKI volunteers:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Get_started is a good place to look for some inspiration and speaking points.
And Lori and the crew worked hard on the GLAM Bookshelf at the last GLAMcamp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/US/Bookshelf
While these might seem GLAM oriented, many of them overflow into basics of editing and so forth.
-Sarah
On 4/12/12 6:08 PM, Chris Keating wrote:
Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Have a look at the Outreach Bookshelf: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf
"Welcome to Wikipedia" is well-used by Wikimedia UK.
(And if anyone else has outreach materials, please do add them to the Bookshelf)
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Am Apr 11, 2012 um 9:28 AM schrieb Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com:
Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Here are some materials we have used at workshop, especially the one- day workshop materials:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop
Katie
Thanks in anticipation :)
Best, Heather.
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Oh my god, I think I'll recommend the Germans to create a work group to have a close look at all those materials. :-) Thank's for the links Ziko
2012/4/13 aude aude.wiki@gmail.com:
Am Apr 11, 2012 um 9:28 AM schrieb Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com:
Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Here are some materials we have used at workshop, especially the one-day workshop materials:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop
Katie
Thanks in anticipation :)
Best, Heather.
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The training materials we used with the Cancer Research UK workshop are at: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cancer_Research_UK_Academy
User:Rockpuppet's training guide was really useful/crucial for that event, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rockpocket/Training
Thanks, Mike
On 12 Apr 2012, at 23:34, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Oh my god, I think I'll recommend the Germans to create a work group to have a close look at all those materials. :-) Thank's for the links Ziko
2012/4/13 aude aude.wiki@gmail.com:
Am Apr 11, 2012 um 9:28 AM schrieb Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com:
Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Here are some materials we have used at workshop, especially the one-day workshop materials:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop
Katie
Thanks in anticipation :)
Best, Heather.
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Thank you, Mike! Really helpful.
On Apr 13, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Michael Peel wrote:
The training materials we used with the Cancer Research UK workshop are at: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cancer_Research_UK_Academy
User:Rockpuppet's training guide was really useful/crucial for that event, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rockpocket/Training
Thanks, Mike
On 12 Apr 2012, at 23:34, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Oh my god, I think I'll recommend the Germans to create a work group to have a close look at all those materials. :-) Thank's for the links Ziko
2012/4/13 aude aude.wiki@gmail.com:
Am Apr 11, 2012 um 9:28 AM schrieb Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com:
Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Here are some materials we have used at workshop, especially the one-day workshop materials:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop
Katie
Thanks in anticipation :)
Best, Heather.
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Some tips, best practices and documents available here as well: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Outreach_Programs/Handbook
Thanks Nitika
On 13-Apr-2012, at 4:04 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Oh my god, I think I'll recommend the Germans to create a work group to have a close look at all those materials. :-) Thank's for the links Ziko
2012/4/13 aude aude.wiki@gmail.com:
Am Apr 11, 2012 um 9:28 AM schrieb Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com:
Have a quick question for some work I'm doing on Wikipedia literacy:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia? At Wikipedia Academies etc?
Here are some materials we have used at workshop, especially the one-day workshop materials:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop
Katie
Thanks in anticipation :)
Best, Heather.
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com wrote:
What resources are folks using to teach others how to edit Wikipedia?
In Wikimedia Argentina we've created "Wikipedia en el aula"[0] for our workshops and talks. It was specifically oriented to teachers and students, showing them how to edit and use Wikipedia's contents.
Regards,
[0] PDF: http://wiki.wikimedia.org.ar/images/pdf/wiki_para_armar2.pdf
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