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On 10/04/2012, wikimedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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1. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination
Process Advisory Group (Jan-Bart de Vreede)
2. Re: Fwd: "Free Culture Conservancy" exploratory meeting in
NY, April 12th. (David Gerard)
3. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination
Process Advisory Group (Jan-Bart de Vreede)
4. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination
Process Advisory Group (Thomas Dalton)
5. IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-04-18 16:30
UTC (Siebrand Mazeland (WMF))
6. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination
Process Advisory Group (Samuel Klein)
7. Sister Projects Committee (Thehelpfulone)
8. BBC Open Content (Richard Symonds)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:54:48 +0200
From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds
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I was assuming that the questions were asked to Barry, who would know the
answer. I would not presume to do it for him, and I do not know the best
answer :)
What I was literally reacting to was your assumption that because no one has
told you why it is necessary, it must be unnecessary. I assume that Barry
has a good reason for doing things the way he plans to do them. It is fine
to ask questions and clarification, but lets assume that he thought about
this and has good arguments :)
Jan-Bart
On 10 apr. 2012, at 14:09, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 10 April 2012 12:57, Jan-Bart de Vreede
<jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Why do you insist that overhead on getting this
right is unnecessary?
Looking at the amount of money that this committee will distribute and
the importance of getting it right I would argue that a significant
investment is more than warranted.
Because nobody has told me why it is necessary. Of course we need to
get it right, but I don't think that requires this much time and money
to be dedicated to it. If it really does need it, then of course we
should spend it, but we shouldn't spend it without a very clear reason
for doing so.
I've asked a very simple question, could you answer it? What questions
do you want this process to answer? What it is about the FDC that we
don't yet know and need to devote a lot of time and money to working
out?
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:54:56 +0100
From: David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: "Free Culture Conservancy" exploratory
meeting in NY, April 12th.
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On 10 April 2012 13:42, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote:
a) acquire copyrights (probably by bequest) in
order to freely license
them;
b) act as a clearinghouse to support "selling" the free licensing of
creative works (we pay you $1,000, you release your novel as CC-BY-SA)
c) support people contesting dubious takedown notices
d) support and train people in freely licensing their own work
(distribution logistics, negotiating with publishers, etc)
There are people trying to do this with out-of-print science fiction,
for example. AIUI, one of the big problems is author's estates with
wild ideas of what an out-of-print midlist novel from the 1960s is
actually worth (demanding ~$100k, etc). It's a tricky one. But
successes would presumably snowball.
- d.
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:56:52 +0200
From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds
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On 10 apr. 2012, at 14:31, Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 10 April 2012 13:25, Christophe Henner
<christophe.henner(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Here is my understanding of the goal of this
committee, but I might be
wrong.
The board defined the broader lines of the committee, but did not tackled
the operational details. Bridgespan is there to work on that, and the
Advisory Groups is there to help them define the operational details.
Can you elaborate on what you see as being the "operational details"
that need to be defined?
Sure
"just about everything"
as in
1) Who should be on this committee
2) On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants for
example)
3) What are criteria
4) What is the process/timeline
+ 401 other things that we can come up with as questions.
Jan-Bart
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:59:02 +0100
From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds
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On 10 April 2012 13:56, Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Sure
"just about everything"
as in
1) Who should be on this committee
2) On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants
for example)
3) What are criteria
4) What is the process/timeline
+ 401 other things that we can come up with as questions.
But how many of those things are actually going to be difficult or
controversial? Shouldn't we at least try and answer them using our
standard approach of having an open discussion on a wiki? If it turns
out we can't answer them that way, then we can try a more elaborate
approach then.
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:10:23 +0200
From: "Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)" <smazeland(a)wikimedia.org>
To: Wikimedia Foundation <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team
2012-04-18 16:30 UTC
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Hi everyone,
I just wanted to give advance notice about IRC office hours with the
Localization team [1] at the Wikimedia Foundation.
Date: 2012-04-18 (every third Wednesday of the month from now on)
Time: 16.30 UTC
Venue: #wikimedia-office
As usual, more logistical info and time conversion links are available
on Meta.[2] For a taste of what the localization team has been up to,
I highly recommend the blog posts we are have written since out last
office hours in February.[3]
Thanks, and we'll talk to you later next week!
--
Siebrand Mazeland
Product Manager Localisation
Wikimedia Foundation
1.
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localisation_team
2.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours
3.
http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/features/internationalization-and-lo…
Support Free Knowledge:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:37:38 -0400
From: Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds
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On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
But how many of those things are actually going to be difficult or
controversial? Shouldn't we at least try and answer them using our
standard approach of having an open discussion on a wiki? If it turns
out we can't answer them that way, then we can try a more elaborate
approach then.
Naturally the process should be public and inclusive.
I expect most of this group's work would involve open discussion on wikis.
Wiki discussions can be enhanced by calls and in-person meetings,
suitably transcribed and shared - especially when getting input from
people who are not active wiki users.
A structure and timeline for work, and a group of committed good-faith
participants to provide a steady core for ongoing discussion, is a
good idea for any time-sensitive project. We don't want to appoint
FDC members themselves without more discussion and perhaps a
distributed selection process, but the background work should begin as
soon as possible.
As to 'which things would be controversial': as you demonstrated here,
even simple discussions can be dominated by a determined critic.
SJ
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:50:21 +0100
From: Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Sister Projects Committee
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Hi all,
The Sister Projects Committee is now a more formal committee, and as such,
there's a list of things to do at <
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sister_Projects_Committee#Task_list>gt;. The
plan is to discuss all the topics on the talk page and this mailing list
when we are looking for wider community input. If you are interested in
joining the committee or helping out, please have a look at the talk page, <
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sister_Projects_Committee>gt;, where I've
split up each topic area into a different section so that discussions can
take place.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask on this mailing list or on the
talk page. :-)
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:54:14 +0100
From: Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk>
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] BBC Open Content
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Looks like the BBC are now starting to use goodly amounts of open
content. One that's caught my eye is a piece on the seige of Sarajevo,
part of which is CC-BY-SA licenced, at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17617775.
Richard Symonds
Office& Development Manager
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0992
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