Changing subject, the other thread is about something totally different.
2017-09-05 14:38 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org:
WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several years.
While I wouldn't bet my life on it, I'm pretty sure I saw banners on mobile just last month, while being logged in.
Strainu
Regards Seddon
On 5 Sep 2017 08:33, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hey Ori,
I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could indeed work well (although I have no numbers on what percentage of domations comes from logged in users etc), but there are also campaigns tht are quite relevant for logged in users.
Lodewijk
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Ori Livneh ori.livneh@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 3, 2017 13:02, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia projects at
the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it. And then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central notice / gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the page again, or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to undo the change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the page.
Or you click "edit" and it hits the banner that suddenly popped up under your click. AAAAAAAAAAAA
One possible solution would be to exempt anyone who edits an article from being shown a banner by means of a cookie with a suitable expiry. Since only a tiny fraction of visitors edit, I would expect the impact on the WMF's bottom line to be negligible. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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-- True. I also saw the banner several times (not this year) until I enabled " Suppress display of fundraiser banners" in preferences>>gadgets (tried on En Wikipedia). As a sidenote I found it very difficult to donate using an Indian Visa debit card or internet banking (that's all I have). It would be great if someone can suggest me (feel free to PM me or write to User talk:Titodutta directly) how to donate using the mentioned payment options.
Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind me over email or phone call.
On 5 September 2017 at 18:08, Strainu strainu10@gmail.com wrote:
Changing subject, the other thread is about something totally different.
2017-09-05 14:38 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org:
WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several
years.
While I wouldn't bet my life on it, I'm pretty sure I saw banners on mobile just last month, while being logged in.
Strainu
Regards Seddon
On 5 Sep 2017 08:33, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hey Ori,
I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could indeed
work
well (although I have no numbers on what percentage of domations comes
from
logged in users etc), but there are also campaigns tht are quite
relevant
for logged in users.
Lodewijk
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Ori Livneh ori.livneh@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 3, 2017 13:02, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net
wrote:
This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia
projects at
the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it.
And
then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central
notice /
gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the page
again,
or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to undo
the
change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the page.
Or you click "edit" and it hits the banner that suddenly popped up under your click. AAAAAAAAAAAA
One possible solution would be to exempt anyone who edits an article
from
being shown a banner by means of a cookie with a suitable expiry.
Since
only a tiny fraction of visitors edit, I would expect the impact on
the
WMF's bottom line to be negligible. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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Hey Strainu,
You are probably right in that you saw a banner but regarding specifically fundraising banners, I am 100% certain that the WMF does not and has not for some years actively shown banners to users who are logged in. The caveat with that is this does not preclude any possibility of human error or a software bug. I'm not aware of any specific occasion where this has occurred in the last two years but with a piece of software that serves billions of page views, across 20-30 countries and some probably some 3000 banner tests during that period, probabilities that something hadn't gone wrong start reaching levels of sigma that not even I would attempt to claim :P
Regards
Seddon
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Strainu strainu10@gmail.com wrote:
Changing subject, the other thread is about something totally different.
2017-09-05 14:38 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org:
WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several
years.
While I wouldn't bet my life on it, I'm pretty sure I saw banners on mobile just last month, while being logged in.
Strainu
Regards Seddon
On 5 Sep 2017 08:33, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hey Ori,
I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could indeed
work
well (although I have no numbers on what percentage of domations comes
from
logged in users etc), but there are also campaigns tht are quite
relevant
for logged in users.
Lodewijk
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Ori Livneh ori.livneh@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 3, 2017 13:02, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net
wrote:
This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia
projects at
the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it.
And
then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central
notice /
gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the page
again,
or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to undo
the
change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the page.
Or you click "edit" and it hits the banner that suddenly popped up under your click. AAAAAAAAAAAA
One possible solution would be to exempt anyone who edits an article
from
being shown a banner by means of a cookie with a suitable expiry.
Since
only a tiny fraction of visitors edit, I would expect the impact on
the
WMF's bottom line to be negligible. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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I am sorry to say but I am constantly logged in and do see fundraising banners every year.
Each time when it was announced fundraising banners would come, I have seen them logged in, in multiple countries.
Romaine
Op dinsdag 5 september 2017 heeft Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org het volgende geschreven:
Hey Strainu,
You are probably right in that you saw a banner but regarding specifically fundraising banners, I am 100% certain that the WMF does not and has not for some years actively shown banners to users who are logged in. The caveat with that is this does not preclude any possibility of human error or a software bug. I'm not aware of any specific occasion where this has occurred in the last two years but with a piece of software that serves billions of page views, across 20-30 countries and some probably some 3000 banner tests during that period, probabilities that something hadn't gone wrong start reaching levels of sigma that not even I would attempt to claim :P
Regards
Seddon
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Strainu <strainu10@gmail.com javascript:;> wrote:
Changing subject, the other thread is about something totally different.
2017-09-05 14:38 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon <jseddon@wikimedia.org
WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several
years.
While I wouldn't bet my life on it, I'm pretty sure I saw banners on mobile just last month, while being logged in.
Strainu
Regards Seddon
On 5 Sep 2017 08:33, "Lodewijk" <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
javascript:;> wrote:
Hey Ori,
I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could indeed
work
well (although I have no numbers on what percentage of domations comes
from
logged in users etc), but there are also campaigns tht are quite
relevant
for logged in users.
Lodewijk
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Ori Livneh <ori.livneh@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 3, 2017 13:02, "David Gerard" <dgerard@gmail.com
javascript:;> wrote:
On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel <email@mikepeel.net
wrote:
This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia
projects at
the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it.
And
then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central
notice /
gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the page
again,
or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to
undo
the
change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the
page.
Or you click "edit" and it hits the banner that suddenly popped up under your click. AAAAAAAAAAAA
One possible solution would be to exempt anyone who edits an article
from
being shown a banner by means of a cookie with a suitable expiry.
Since
only a tiny fraction of visitors edit, I would expect the impact on
the
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Hey David & Romaine,
I wanted to just give a quick reply to let you know that I am looking into this further.
I will reiterate that WMF fundraising does not and has not actively shown fundraising banners to logged in users for the past five years and I do apologise if you've been disrupted in your work whether through human or technical error.
The possible causes for this are numerous and it will take time to identify the scale, cause and solution to this.
Regards Seddon
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I am sorry to say but I am constantly logged in and do see fundraising banners every year.
Each time when it was announced fundraising banners would come, I have seen them logged in, in multiple countries.
Romaine
Op dinsdag 5 september 2017 heeft Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org het volgende geschreven:
Hey Strainu,
You are probably right in that you saw a banner but regarding
specifically
fundraising banners, I am 100% certain that the WMF does not and has not for some years actively shown banners to users who are logged in. The caveat with that is this does not preclude any possibility of human error or a software bug. I'm not aware of any specific occasion where this has occurred in the last two years but with a piece of software that serves billions of page views, across 20-30 countries and some probably some
3000
banner tests during that period, probabilities that something hadn't gone wrong start reaching levels of sigma that not even I would attempt to
claim
:P
Regards
Seddon
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Strainu <strainu10@gmail.com javascript:;> wrote:
Changing subject, the other thread is about something totally
different.
2017-09-05 14:38 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon <jseddon@wikimedia.org
WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several
years.
While I wouldn't bet my life on it, I'm pretty sure I saw banners on mobile just last month, while being logged in.
Strainu
Regards Seddon
On 5 Sep 2017 08:33, "Lodewijk" <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
javascript:;> wrote:
Hey Ori,
I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could
indeed
work
well (although I have no numbers on what percentage of domations
comes
from
logged in users etc), but there are also campaigns tht are quite
relevant
for logged in users.
Lodewijk
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Ori Livneh <ori.livneh@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 3, 2017 13:02, "David Gerard" <dgerard@gmail.com
javascript:;> wrote:
On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel <email@mikepeel.net
wrote:
> This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia
projects at
the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing
it.
And
then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central
notice /
gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the page
again,
or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to
undo
the
change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the
page.
Or you click "edit" and it hits the banner that suddenly popped up under your click. AAAAAAAAAAAA
One possible solution would be to exempt anyone who edits an
article
from
being shown a banner by means of a cookie with a suitable expiry.
Since
only a tiny fraction of visitors edit, I would expect the impact
on
the
WMF's bottom line to be negligible. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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For what it's worth - and this might explain some people's circumstances: I see many fundraising banners each year, even though I'm logged in, but the reason I see them is because I've clicked on a Wikipedia article link while using a third-party website (e.g. from Facebook, or twitter). In those cases when I land on the wikipedia article i'm still within the 'mini-broswer' of facebook etc and the fundraising banner system can not know that I'm logged in on my primary browser. This happen equally on my desktop and then also on my mobile phone.
So, while it is true that the WMF is not showing banners to logged in people, it is equally true that I see a lot of banners (when I've clicked on wikipedia links from within other websites/platforms). No one is lying - it's just we're talking about what we mean by 'logged in' differently.
This does not explain every possible circumstance, for every person, for why people in this thread are saying that they see banners even though they're logged in. But it is one explanation of a common situation that might explain things for some people.
Hope that helps, -Liam / Wittylama
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On 12 September 2017 at 18:41, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey David & Romaine,
I wanted to just give a quick reply to let you know that I am looking into this further.
I will reiterate that WMF fundraising does not and has not actively shown fundraising banners to logged in users for the past five years and I do apologise if you've been disrupted in your work whether through human or technical error.
The possible causes for this are numerous and it will take time to identify the scale, cause and solution to this.
Regards Seddon
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I am sorry to say but I am constantly logged in and do see fundraising banners every year.
Each time when it was announced fundraising banners would come, I have
seen
them logged in, in multiple countries.
Romaine
Op dinsdag 5 september 2017 heeft Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org het volgende geschreven:
Hey Strainu,
You are probably right in that you saw a banner but regarding
specifically
fundraising banners, I am 100% certain that the WMF does not and has
not
for some years actively shown banners to users who are logged in. The caveat with that is this does not preclude any possibility of human
error
or a software bug. I'm not aware of any specific occasion where this
has
occurred in the last two years but with a piece of software that serves billions of page views, across 20-30 countries and some probably some
3000
banner tests during that period, probabilities that something hadn't
gone
wrong start reaching levels of sigma that not even I would attempt to
claim
:P
Regards
Seddon
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Strainu <strainu10@gmail.com javascript:;> wrote:
Changing subject, the other thread is about something totally
different.
2017-09-05 14:38 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon <jseddon@wikimedia.org
WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several
years.
While I wouldn't bet my life on it, I'm pretty sure I saw banners on mobile just last month, while being logged in.
Strainu
Regards Seddon
On 5 Sep 2017 08:33, "Lodewijk" <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
javascript:;> wrote:
Hey Ori,
I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could
indeed
work
well (although I have no numbers on what percentage of domations
comes
from
logged in users etc), but there are also campaigns tht are quite
relevant
for logged in users.
Lodewijk
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Ori Livneh <ori.livneh@gmail.com
wrote:
> On Sep 3, 2017 13:02, "David Gerard" <dgerard@gmail.com
javascript:;> wrote:
> > On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel <email@mikepeel.net
wrote:
> > > This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia
projects at
> the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing
it.
And
> then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central
notice /
> gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the
page
again,
> or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to
undo
the
> change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the
page.
> > > Or you click "edit" and it hits the banner that suddenly popped
up
> under your click. AAAAAAAAAAAA > > > One possible solution would be to exempt anyone who edits an
article
from
> being shown a banner by means of a cookie with a suitable
expiry.
Since
> only a tiny fraction of visitors edit, I would expect the impact
on
the
> WMF's bottom line to be negligible. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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