thank you guys :) hopefully our user group would one of the most active user groups, we have already plan our next steps, Mardetanha
Mardetanha
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- Re: Innovation (Gerard Meijssen)
- Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Carlos M. Colina)
- Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Sydney Poore)
- Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Asaf Bartov)
- Recognition of Wikimedia Community UG Belarus (Carlos M. Colina)
- Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Tito Dutta)
- Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Edward Galvez)
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:38:30 +0200 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Innovation Hoi, Collecting hundred ideas is indeed easy. I am sure that when I look back in my 3000+ blog posts[1] I will find hundreds of ideas easily. It is not the numbers that important, it is about the relevance of the ideas, some of mine are more relevant and others less so.
Arguments that are relevant are:
- technical difficulty
- impact on our community
- impact on the amount of work it generates
- impact on the ability to write new articles
- impact on the ability to involve new editors
- ability to generate meaningful statistics
The idea I proposed in this thread is likely to score really high except on the first argument.
Would you for argument's sake walk through this idea with me and see your process in action. The purpose would be to shine some light in the black box. A fringe benefit could be to get a ball rolling. Thanks, GerardM
[1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/
On 14 July 2015 at 21:44, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, Luis I like what I read. What you can do to make it even more pleasing
is
establish better how this will benefit projects other than Wikipedia.
For instance I blogged abut "red link" functionality that will easily enhance the quality of links and red links in most project including Wikipedia because it allows for providing information where there is
none
yet to bothnot readers and editors AND maintains the functionality as
if
nothing has changed.
I have no idea if the WMF would consider such an idea. My impression is that the WMF and its agenda is very much a black box. When you explain
how
an idea like this might get attention, it is less theoretical and it explains me and others if innovation in the WMF has a place and what
that
place is.
Hi, Gerard-
Thanks for asking. I think calling us a "black box" on code/ideas from outside WMF is pretty fair, though we're working on it.
*tl;dr:* this is and will always be hard; I'd love to hear thoughts or examples on how we can do it better.
Note that I have not formally shared this thinking with product/engineering, so none of this is a promise to do any specific
thing
mentioned below. I share it to show, in good faith, that we're thinking hard about the problem and what to do about it, and to make clear why it isn't easy to solve.
*Ideas* We can easily collect thousands of ideas. (For example, just one person already had a list of 200+ sorted/filed bugs ready when we announced community tech.) Sorting, prioritizing, and implementing them takes work (which non-programmers sometimes underestimate ;) http://xkcd.com/1425/. Some things we'd need in order to handle incoming ideas well:
- *Overall process/timeline* for product development, so that people
know who to talk to when and through what channels. CE is working with product/engineering on this, but it will always be ongoing - there won't be one "final" process, since we'll learn and adjust as we go.
- *Clear priorities* - if you have 1,000 ideas, you have to have
priorities so that you can sort through them, and decide "we'll do
this
one first because..." This is hard - there are still some people who respond to VE by disagreeing that we should be trying to get more new editors!
- *A friendly space
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Friendly_space understanding*
- people often get emotional/angry when you tell them their idea is
not
a high priority, or hard to understand, etc. Dealing with that once is easy; dealing with it repeatedly over months or years is literally threatening to mental health.
- *Bodies:* Reading and processing incoming ideas can take a *ton* of
time from the people involved. Andre helps with this somewhat in his role as bugmaster, but we're asking a lot from product and engineering already, so there is tension between "fix core platform issues" and "innovate within WMF" and "listen carefully to community innovation" - there are just a limited number of hours in the day.
We've always done parts of this informally (ideas come in through phabricator; I read your blog post when it was first posted via planet; etc.) but we need to make it more formal if we want to seriously scale
it.
We're in the *extremely* initial brainstorming phases of some of this
right
now, which Lila referred to in her email.
*Code* Innovative *code *should be easier to deal with than ideas, because
writing
code is hard so there is less code than ideas. But you still have to be able to deal with:
- *Usability:* the innovative idea might be generally great, but has
it
had evaluative design research https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Design_Research? A/B testing of key concepts/language? Etc <
https://web.archive.org/web/20080805012124/http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2008/08...
.?
- *Maintainability:* will the code still work in 2-3 years? Who will
bugfix during that time?
- *Scalability:* will it work for hundreds of millions of users?
We address some of these currently simply by encouraging people to extend the platform and use Labs, rather than relying on us. So one possible option is to do more of that (like investing in APIs, as I mentioned in my innovation survey <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Innovation#Survey_of_WMF_innovation-related_...
).
The journey of hovercards <
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/03/26/hovercards-now-available-as-a-beta-feat...
is a pretty good example of the potential and difficulty of this process -
we
know we can turn non-WMF code into deployed code, but it is hard (and in that case still not done a year later).
*Serious question* Those are my off-the-cuff, very long-term thinking about how we get community code into the projects at scale. Gerard, Magnus, others who
write
code - are there other routes I'm not seeing? Other things we could be doing?
Luis
[0] Hard enough that I don't think I've ever seen a mass-audience
free/open
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I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the family of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in education (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and the use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister projects; edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
Welcome!!
1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_W... -- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sydney Poore sydney.poore@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:10:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG Excellent news! Sydney On Jul 18, 2015 3:10 PM, "Carlos M. Colina" maorx@wikimedia.org.ve wrote:
Dear all,
I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
family
of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
education
(at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and
the
use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister
projects;
edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
Welcome!!
1:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_W...
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve
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A.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina maorx@wikimedia.org.ve wrote:
Dear all,
I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
family
of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
education
(at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and
the
use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister
projects;
edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
Welcome!!
1:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_W...
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Carlos M. Colina" maorx@wikimedia.org.ve To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:22:06 +0300 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community UG Belarus Dear all,
It is an honour and a pleasure to announce on behalf of the Affiliations Committee the recognition [1] of the newest Wikimedia User Group: Wikimedia Community User Group Belarus. Among their objectives are to represent both Belarusian Wikipedias (classical and academic) in international relations; to widen media presence and public awareness about Belarusian Wikipedias' community activities; and to make collaborative projects with other interest groups, social initiatives, NGOs and local communities in Belarus and abroad.
Please join us in welcoming a new member of the family! :-)
1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedia... -- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tito Dutta trulytito@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 01:52:24 +0530 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG Congrats and wishes.
On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Congratulations and much success!
A.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina <
maorx@wikimedia.org.ve>
wrote:
Dear all,
I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
family
of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
education
(at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and
the
use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister
projects;
edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo
trips
and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
Welcome!!
1:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_W...
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
wayuukanairua
junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
junain."
Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve
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On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Tito Dutta trulytito@gmail.com wrote:
Congrats and wishes.
On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Congratulations and much success!
A.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina <
maorx@wikimedia.org.ve>
wrote:
Dear all,
I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
family
of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among
their
main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
education
(at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work
and
the
use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister
projects;
edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo
trips
and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
Welcome!!
1:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_W...
-- "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
wayuukanairua
junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
junain."
Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve
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