thank you guys :)
hopefully our user group would one of the most active user groups, we have
already plan our next steps,
Mardetanha
Mardetanha
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From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:38:30 +0200
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Innovation
Hoi,
Collecting hundred ideas is indeed easy. I am sure that when I look back
in my 3000+ blog posts[1] I will find hundreds of ideas easily. It is not
the numbers that important, it is about the relevance of the ideas, some of
mine are more relevant and others less so.
Arguments that are relevant are:
- technical difficulty
- impact on our community
- impact on the amount of work it generates
- impact on the ability to write new articles
- impact on the ability to involve new editors
- ability to generate meaningful statistics
The idea I proposed in this thread is likely to score really high except on
the first argument.
Would you for argument's sake walk through this idea with me and see your
process in action. The purpose would be to shine some light in the black
box. A fringe benefit could be to get a ball rolling.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/
On 14 July 2015 at 21:44, Luis Villa <lvilla(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hoi,
> Luis I like what I read. What you can do to make it even more pleasing
is
> establish better how this will benefit
projects other than Wikipedia.
>
> For instance I blogged abut "red link" functionality that will easily
> enhance the quality of links and red links in most project including
> Wikipedia because it allows for providing information where there is
none
> yet to bothnot readers and editors AND
maintains the functionality as
if
nothing
has changed.
I have no idea if the WMF would consider such an idea. My impression is
that the WMF and its agenda is very much a black box. When you explain
how
> an idea like this might get attention, it is less theoretical and it
> explains me and others if innovation in the WMF has a place and what
that
place
is.
Hi, Gerard-
Thanks for asking. I think calling us a "black box" on code/ideas from
outside WMF is pretty fair, though we're working on it.
*tl;dr:* this is and will always be hard; I'd love to hear thoughts or
examples on how we can do it better.
Note that I have not formally shared this thinking with
product/engineering, so none of this is a promise to do any specific
thing
mentioned below. I share it to show, in good
faith, that we're thinking
hard about the problem and what to do about it, and to make clear why it
isn't easy to solve.
*Ideas*
We can easily collect thousands of ideas. (For example, just one person
already had a list of 200+ sorted/filed bugs ready when we announced
community tech.) Sorting, prioritizing, and implementing them takes work
(which
non-programmers sometimes underestimate ;) <http://xkcd.com/1425/>. Some
things we'd need in order to handle incoming ideas well:
- *Overall process/timeline* for product development, so that people
know who to talk to when and through what channels. CE is working with
product/engineering on this, but it will always be ongoing - there
won't be
one "final" process, since we'll learn and adjust as we go.
- *Clear priorities* - if you have 1,000 ideas, you have to have
priorities so that you can sort through them, and decide "we'll do
this
one
first because..." This is hard - there are still some people who
respond to
VE by disagreeing that we should be trying to get more new editors!
- *A friendly space
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Friendly_space>
understanding*
- people often get emotional/angry when you tell them their idea is
not
a
high priority, or hard to understand, etc. Dealing with that once is
easy;
dealing with it repeatedly over months or years is literally
threatening to
mental health.
- *Bodies:* Reading and processing incoming ideas can take a *ton* of
time from the people involved. Andre helps with this somewhat in his
role
as bugmaster, but we're asking a lot from product and engineering
already,
so there is tension between "fix core platform issues" and "innovate
within
WMF" and "listen carefully to community innovation" - there are just a
limited number of hours in the day.
We've always done parts of this informally (ideas come in through
phabricator; I read your blog post when it was first posted via planet;
etc.) but we need to make it more formal if we want to seriously scale
it.
We're in the *extremely* initial
brainstorming phases of some of this
right
now, which Lila referred to in her email.
*Code*
Innovative *code *should be easier to deal with than ideas, because
writing
code is hard so there is less code than ideas.
But you still have to be
able to deal with:
- *Usability:* the innovative idea might be generally great, but has
it
had evaluative design research
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Design_Research>?
A/B
testing of key concepts/language? Etc
<
https://web.archive.org/web/20080805012124/http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2008/0…
.?
- *Maintainability:* will the code still work in 2-3 years? Who will
bugfix during that time?
- *Scalability:* will it work for hundreds of millions of users?
We address some of these currently simply by encouraging people to extend
the platform and use Labs, rather than relying on us. So one possible
option is to do more of that (like investing in APIs, as I mentioned
in my innovation
survey
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Innovation#Survey_of_WMF_innovation-related…
).
The journey of hovercards
<
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/03/26/hovercards-now-available-as-a-beta-fea…
is
a pretty good example of the potential and difficulty of this process -
we
know we can turn non-WMF code into deployed code,
but it is hard (and in
that case still not done a year later).
*Serious question*
Those are my off-the-cuff, very long-term thinking about how we get
community code into the projects at scale. Gerard, Magnus, others who
write
code - are there other routes I'm not seeing?
Other things we could be
doing?
Luis
[0] Hard enough that I don't think I've ever seen a mass-audience
free/open
project do it really well?
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG
Dear all,
I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the family
of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their
main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in education
(at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and the
use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister projects;
edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips
and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
Welcome!!
1:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_…
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG
Excellent news!
Sydney
On Jul 18, 2015 3:10 PM, "Carlos M. Colina" <maorx(a)wikimedia.org.ve>
wrote:
Dear all,
I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
family
of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians
User Group. Among their
main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
education
(at cultural centres, associations and
Universities), outreach work and
the
use of social media to tell people about
Wikipedia and its sister
projects;
edit-a-thons and participation in different
cultural events, photo trips
and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
Welcome!!
1:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_…
--
"*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
Carlos M. Colina
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Congratulations and much success!
A.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina <maorx(a)wikimedia.org.ve>
wrote:
Dear all,
I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
family
of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians
User Group. Among their
main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
education
(at cultural centres, associations and
Universities), outreach work and
the
use of social media to tell people about
Wikipedia and its sister
projects;
edit-a-thons and participation in different
cultural events, photo trips
and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
Welcome!!
1:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_…
--
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community UG Belarus
Dear all,
It is an honour and a pleasure to announce on behalf of the Affiliations
Committee the recognition [1] of the newest Wikimedia User Group: Wikimedia
Community User Group Belarus. Among their objectives are to represent both
Belarusian Wikipedias (classical and academic) in international relations;
to widen media presence and public awareness about Belarusian Wikipedias'
community activities; and to make collaborative projects with other
interest groups, social initiatives, NGOs and local communities in Belarus
and abroad.
Please join us in welcoming a new member of the family! :-)
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Congrats and wishes.
On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Congratulations and much success!
A.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina <
maorx(a)wikimedia.org.ve>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
> family
> > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their
> > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
> education
>
(at cultural centres, associations and
Universities), outreach work and
> the
>
use of social media to tell people about
Wikipedia and its sister
> projects;
> > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo
trips
and
upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
Welcome!!
1:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_…
> --
> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
wayuukanairua
> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale
etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
junain."
Carlos M.
Colina
Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve
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Congrats!
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Tito Dutta <trulytito(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Congrats and wishes.
On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Congratulations and much success!
A.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina <
maorx(a)wikimedia.org.ve>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
> family
> > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among
their
> > main interests are encouraging the use
of Wikimedia resources in
> education
> > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work
and
> > the
> >
use of social media to tell people
about Wikipedia and its sister
> > projects;
> > > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo
> trips
> > > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
> > >
> > > Welcome!!
> > >
> > > 1:
> > >
> >
>
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> > > --
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> wayuukanairua
>
> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale
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> junain."
> > > Carlos M. Colina
> > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> >
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