I'm sorry to hear about this. We all lose out when a multi national event excludes large parts of the world.
This has come up in the past several times and some partial solutions have been discussed.
We need to build in enough time in the process for people who need visas to get them after they know they have a place at the conference.
We need to prefer venues that are in countries with relatively open borders (the first Wikimania I attended was in Argentina).
If we must sometimes hold events in hard to enter countries such as the UK and US we should try to alternate them with more open countries such as Argentina and Mexico - I think we've also held Wikimania in Egypt and Taiwan.
It would be good if the WMF were able to prioritise scholarships for people who were unable to take up a scholarship the previous year due to visa problems.
The cost and difficulty of getting visas needs to be high in the evaluation criteria of different potential venues.
Regards
WSC
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Hello all,
This might not be relevant for all, but since we are a global movement striving for equity between all humans, I would like to share a reflection regarding the situation of some of us, and the challenges that are unfortunately not yet solved, although we are familiar with them since years.
As you know, the Wikimedia summit is happening soon, and our user group (Wikimedia Morocco User group) had a member invited to attend it in person. As soon as he knew about his participation, our member started preparing his documentation and went to book a time at the German embassy. To his surprise, the first appointments were until October (while the conference is in September). This resulted in this member not being able to attend the summit in-person, as well as all our user group (as this is not person-dependent, but systemic, so anyone living in Morocco and applying for a visa will not get it before October).
Unfortunately, this issue is not an exception. It is almost the rule. In every Wikimedia conference, there are people not able to attend because of Visa issues, yet it is not properly addressed.
Many of the challenges in our movement are addressed or at least discussed in different forums and strategies. However, it feels that the equity in participating in-person for Visa required participants is not a priority. Usually, invites come at a time that does not really allow a good preparation of the documentation (and embassy appointments), and there is no support with the embassies, so inexperienced volunteers are left to themselves dealing with very official instances, who just simply reject their applications or give them appointments within months from now.
I am sharing these personal reflections after witnessing several problems that happened to many members through time with the same issue. I would like to know how this can be better solved in the future? Can conferences prepare documentation 6 months before they start? Can the WMF give official support and help contacting embassies? Is there any way to address this in a good manner?
I feel really sad that there is no equity in this matter. I know that it is naïve to think about a world without borders, but isn't our Wikimedia movement supposed to support everyone? How can we be better at this?
P.S: This post is not about myself or situation, but rather a reflection after talking with many people facing this issue in my region, and who missed so many events because of Visas. I don't want them to miss events again in the future! Is it possible?
Thank you all for taking the time to read this, and I wish you a good Tuesday!
Best regards,
*Anass SEDRATI*
A movement-wide visa group could help streamline these contacts to embassies, and to local services in each country that can help speed the process. Different sorts of invitations can help, letters of invitation can be issued earlier than programs are finalized... help from the side of the inviting country (as opposed to at that country's embassy in the visitor's country) is useful as well.
Can we learn from global charities that arrange frequent short-timeframe international travel, much more than we do?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 8:55 AM WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sorry to hear about this. We all lose out when a multi national event excludes large parts of the world.
This has come up in the past several times and some partial solutions have been discussed.
We need to build in enough time in the process for people who need visas to get them after they know they have a place at the conference.
We need to prefer venues that are in countries with relatively open borders (the first Wikimania I attended was in Argentina).
If we must sometimes hold events in hard to enter countries such as the UK and US we should try to alternate them with more open countries such as Argentina and Mexico - I think we've also held Wikimania in Egypt and Taiwan.
It would be good if the WMF were able to prioritise scholarships for people who were unable to take up a scholarship the previous year due to visa problems.
The cost and difficulty of getting visas needs to be high in the evaluation criteria of different potential venues.
Regards
WSC
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Hello all,
This might not be relevant for all, but since we are a global movement striving for equity between all humans, I would like to share a reflection regarding the situation of some of us, and the challenges that are unfortunately not yet solved, although we are familiar with them since years.
As you know, the Wikimedia summit is happening soon, and our user group (Wikimedia Morocco User group) had a member invited to attend it in person. As soon as he knew about his participation, our member started preparing his documentation and went to book a time at the German embassy. To his surprise, the first appointments were until October (while the conference is in September). This resulted in this member not being able to attend the summit in-person, as well as all our user group (as this is not person-dependent, but systemic, so anyone living in Morocco and applying for a visa will not get it before October).
Unfortunately, this issue is not an exception. It is almost the rule. In every Wikimedia conference, there are people not able to attend because of Visa issues, yet it is not properly addressed.
Many of the challenges in our movement are addressed or at least discussed in different forums and strategies. However, it feels that the equity in participating in-person for Visa required participants is not a priority. Usually, invites come at a time that does not really allow a good preparation of the documentation (and embassy appointments), and there is no support with the embassies, so inexperienced volunteers are left to themselves dealing with very official instances, who just simply reject their applications or give them appointments within months from now.
I am sharing these personal reflections after witnessing several problems that happened to many members through time with the same issue. I would like to know how this can be better solved in the future? Can conferences prepare documentation 6 months before they start? Can the WMF give official support and help contacting embassies? Is there any way to address this in a good manner?
I feel really sad that there is no equity in this matter. I know that it is naïve to think about a world without borders, but isn't our Wikimedia movement supposed to support everyone? How can we be better at this?
P.S: This post is not about myself or situation, but rather a reflection after talking with many people facing this issue in my region, and who missed so many events because of Visas. I don't want them to miss events again in the future! Is it possible?
Thank you all for taking the time to read this, and I wish you a good Tuesday!
Best regards,
*Anass SEDRATI*
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